But why do you see this post as racist? As I see it, it’s just acknowledging people’s skin color and pointing out a funny coincidence in regards to it.
Is your interpretation that it implies white should be with white, black with black, asian with asian?
the image is based on noticing these people’s skin color in the first place, and making a joke out of them;
the analogy with the Rubik’s Cube means that there is something to “solve” there;
the last click in the Rubik’s Cube is a “perfect” state.
So this image, due to people’s skin color, is one step away from a perfect state, where white people are with white people, black people with black people, etc… and should be “solved”?
Mostly because it’s a meme, a.k.a. dumb humor. Memes generally don’t require intricate thought. And they are frequently on the level of “haha, funny coincidence”.
Like, yeah, some people will read it the way that you did, but it’s not like anyone will get convinced of skin color segregation from this meme. And while I don’t exactly find the thought pleasant of some greasy racist feeling reassured by this shitty meme, it doesn’t take the “haha, funny coincidence” away from me.
@JoeBidet@anders the meme would still be a little funny if you looked just at the color of the clothes. But if you do want to say the meme needs the skin colors as well to be funny, it would be racial, since it doesn’t make any races feel superior or inferior, but the joke does include different races.
No I don’t see it and neither is it my intention to make anything racist out of it. I don’t have any problems with people who are another race than I am - rather the opposite, I think other cultures are very interesting.
I just see it as a funny coincidence that there are 3 different races and if you rotate once to the right, it will be the same race/color together. It’s just coincidence and that’s what makes it funny. Not some evil intention behind it :) and then it’s funny that someone sees it and makes a meme out of it. I’m not laughing at the color but of the coincidence, hence it is not racism.
I understand your point of view… I hear that your intention wasnt to provoke or to encourage hatred.
Yet, the very notion that there would be “races” here is err… a very definition of “racism” (ie. who sees things according to supposed “races”)… there is one race, the Human kind… the rest is physical differences.
So somehow, inevitably, making jokes based on these physical differences, on sorting people (even jokingly) according to them (especially implying that there would be a “good” configuration for the, and another that would remind a state that everyone has experience, the last step of a cube where “omg omg i am almost there!!!” feeling so good as something that inevitably needs fixing…) is further re-inforcing discriminatory mechanisms.
Imagine that you would see an image that would make you say “there are 4 skinnies and 4 fatties on that (virtual) picture” -> if your conception of the world, if your way of looking at things is to see “skinnies” on one side, and “fatties” on the other, if you call them that and sort them according to that, well it’s a discrimination based on physicail aspects… isn’t it?
whether it bears a name (“fatism”?) or not doesnt matter so much as how it is a way of looking at people and at the world, that in turns can bring about further simplifications, de-humanization (if someone is “a fatty” or “a xxxx” they often are less than just “a person”), discriminations, and as history showed, often violence…
@anders@JoeBidet If there are no races then there cannot be - by definition - racist jokes.
A lot of Social Justice Fighters actually create a non-existent problem and then fight against it. In my opinion it is not racism to show people, with red hair, black skin, large eyes, short hand, small nose or whatever. If someone looks at these people and see only racism then it may be well possible that the racism is not on the picture but in the head of the said observer.
In my opinion racism is when someone suggest bad things about a group of people (preferably minority group, according to the internet warriors). I do not see racism when there is no negative feelings involved, just by showing, pointing out or joking about any differences.
Some people became way oversensitive, and often for “some imagined others”, not even for themselves. It is sad and disturbing, since it became just another opportunity to raise the stress level claiming preceived problems with others.
I can understand your point of view, that you feel it can escalate to something worse. I’m not gonna argue with your point of view. None of us will change our opinions so it’ll be wasted energy anyways :)
What a load of downvotes posts like this are getting in this community 😃
well maybe people don’t like racist crap?
go figure…
But why do you see this post as racist? As I see it, it’s just acknowledging people’s skin color and pointing out a funny coincidence in regards to it.
Is your interpretation that it implies white should be with white, black with black, asian with asian?
Well …
So this image, due to people’s skin color, is one step away from a perfect state, where white people are with white people, black people with black people, etc… and should be “solved”?
How can this be read otherwise? (honest question)
Mostly because it’s a meme, a.k.a. dumb humor. Memes generally don’t require intricate thought. And they are frequently on the level of “haha, funny coincidence”.
Like, yeah, some people will read it the way that you did, but it’s not like anyone will get convinced of skin color segregation from this meme. And while I don’t exactly find the thought pleasant of some greasy racist feeling reassured by this shitty meme, it doesn’t take the “haha, funny coincidence” away from me.
@JoeBidet @anders the meme would still be a little funny if you looked just at the color of the clothes. But if you do want to say the meme needs the skin colors as well to be funny, it would be racial, since it doesn’t make any races feel superior or inferior, but the joke does include different races.
@JoeBidet well it’s just people on lemmy.ml who can’t tolerate it.
I am glad to be part of such a cool anti-racist bunch! :)
@JoeBidet
I am happy for you then 😃
thanks :)
can I just ask this: do you see or not a racist undertone to this image? (i am not trying to entrap or judge your or anything, it’s just curiosity)
@JoeBidet
No I don’t see it and neither is it my intention to make anything racist out of it. I don’t have any problems with people who are another race than I am - rather the opposite, I think other cultures are very interesting.
I just see it as a funny coincidence that there are 3 different races and if you rotate once to the right, it will be the same race/color together. It’s just coincidence and that’s what makes it funny. Not some evil intention behind it :) and then it’s funny that someone sees it and makes a meme out of it. I’m not laughing at the color but of the coincidence, hence it is not racism.
I understand your point of view… I hear that your intention wasnt to provoke or to encourage hatred.
Yet, the very notion that there would be “races” here is err… a very definition of “racism” (ie. who sees things according to supposed “races”)… there is one race, the Human kind… the rest is physical differences.
So somehow, inevitably, making jokes based on these physical differences, on sorting people (even jokingly) according to them (especially implying that there would be a “good” configuration for the, and another that would remind a state that everyone has experience, the last step of a cube where “omg omg i am almost there!!!” feeling so good as something that inevitably needs fixing…) is further re-inforcing discriminatory mechanisms.
Imagine that you would see an image that would make you say “there are 4 skinnies and 4 fatties on that (virtual) picture” -> if your conception of the world, if your way of looking at things is to see “skinnies” on one side, and “fatties” on the other, if you call them that and sort them according to that, well it’s a discrimination based on physicail aspects… isn’t it?
whether it bears a name (“fatism”?) or not doesnt matter so much as how it is a way of looking at people and at the world, that in turns can bring about further simplifications, de-humanization (if someone is “a fatty” or “a xxxx” they often are less than just “a person”), discriminations, and as history showed, often violence…
Does it make any sense to you?
@anders @JoeBidet If there are no races then there cannot be - by definition - racist jokes.
A lot of Social Justice Fighters actually create a non-existent problem and then fight against it. In my opinion it is not racism to show people, with red hair, black skin, large eyes, short hand, small nose or whatever. If someone looks at these people and see only racism then it may be well possible that the racism is not on the picture but in the head of the said observer.
In my opinion racism is when someone suggest bad things about a group of people (preferably minority group, according to the internet warriors). I do not see racism when there is no negative feelings involved, just by showing, pointing out or joking about any differences.
Some people became way oversensitive, and often for “some imagined others”, not even for themselves. It is sad and disturbing, since it became just another opportunity to raise the stress level claiming preceived problems with others.
@JoeBidet
I can understand your point of view, that you feel it can escalate to something worse. I’m not gonna argue with your point of view. None of us will change our opinions so it’ll be wasted energy anyways :)
@anders @JoeBidet For one I don’t.