Hi there, fellow DMs!

I’m a fairly new DM (as in: I have around 20 sessions behind my back), and while my players seem to be enjoying the campaign, I’ve run into a bit of a problem.

Namely, that the three godsdamned paladins are trivializing most combat encounters.

They just leveled up to level 8, but even at level 7:

  • Attack rolls against them? LOL, CR 7-9 enemies usually have +6-+8 to hit at most; they will miss the paladins (and the cleric) in plate armor + shield 60-75% of the time.
  • Saving throw abilities and spells? Fuck me, aura of protection, everybody gets +2 or more to all their saves.
  • Even if a spell slips through? Ancients paladin. Whoever came up with the Aura of Warding at WotC deserves a kick in the head. Everybody near the paladin takes half damage from every spell (quarter if they make the save) because balancing encounters is soooooooooooooo easy!

And that is just their passive abilities. There’s of course the usual issue of smites (the three of them can easily deal 24d8 damage in one turn, that’s 108 on average - and that’s without accounting for crits or them stacking a smite spell on it too). Ranged enemies? LOL, orbital laser goes BZOT! (Moonbeam) Or they’ll just leave them to the ranger, cleric, and the warlock. And if they still get banged up, they have 105 HP of dedicated healing between them (plus the cleric and the ranger).

Is there any way to make combat encounters challenging for this party besides trying to overwhelm them through action economy (it’s a party of 6, so that would take a shitton of monsters and turn the combat into a slog), finding a way to force them into 6-8 encounters between long rests (wouldn’t do anything about the passive abilities but it would at least curtail the smite-nukes), or turning the game into Dark Souls with every monster being a horrible damage sponge that can one-shot any player on a hit?

Because at this point I’m afraid that anything shy of a tarrasque would be a minor inconvenience at best instead of a challenge or a boss.

  • BalanceInAllThings@ttrpg.networkEnglish
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    1 year ago

    Take a few mindflayers, including arcanists.
    Sure, the party could wreck them in close combat, they know that.
    Levitating to be our of melee, splitting/cornering the party with a wall of force in a nice ambush spot with difficult terrain, and just mind blasting them.
    If they ever lose the upper hand, they can just plane shift and come back later, better prepared.
    Maybe their minion fodder are hobgoblin warlords.

    I feel like most enemies encountering this party would avoid the melee meat grinder if at all possible.
    The party can probably wreck an aboleth too if they face off head-on, not that the aboleth would give them such an opportunity.

    I’d recommend TheMonstersKnow.com [… what they’re doing].
    It’s a blog which is also available in book form with tactics for monsters.

    • gerusz@ttrpg.networkOPEnglish
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      1 year ago

      I tried restraining the paladins before.

      Any restraint that can be escaped with a save is useless. They all have very high strength scores, not too shabby DEX, and there’s the Aura of Protection. And when I tried any other restraint, they just misty-stepped out of it because, hey, why have a class that can tank, heal, buff, DPS, and be the face of the party when you can have a class that can tank, heal, buff, DPS, be the face of the party, and can jump in the face of any ranged enemy who tries to abuse their one weak spot? “Party balance? Dafuq is that?” - WotC, probably. (I’m just glad there’s no fighter in the party, they would feel absurdly useless.)

      I know about The Monsters Know… but if the monsters knew what they were doing, it would be a reeeeeeeeeally boring campaign, because the monsters know not to be where this party is.

      Thanks anyway!