Saw someone talking about moving that reminded me to ask this. I really want to stay in the U.S. to build socialism but sometimes I fear it is past the event horizon, that things will only get more gruesome, and I want my loved ones to live.

I have not the slightest clue where I would move to. Obviously the one we all think about sometimes is China, but I know next to nothing about the language, culture, history, values etc. and don’t know how I would adjust. It also seems it would be difficult as someone with no education or marketable job skills in respected fields.

Sometimes I think about places like Cuba because it is much more familiar to me culturally, linguistically etc. but then it seems an area like that is going to get a bad hand dealt to it with climate change.

Western countries would be the most familiar, and I do think perhaps they have a greater capacity for positive change than the U.S., but this also seems like it would be moving somewhere just 5-10 years behind collapse of America. Who’s to say which of these societies will jump ship to the new world order, if any?

Sometimes I also fear people across the world slowly (and understandably) becoming vehemently anti-USian, whether the US empire dies or clings on. Many older generations across the world seem to still think very fondly of Americans and our country, but I do not think the younger generations seem as affected by the global pro-American propaganda. Perhaps this is American cynicism to think like this, but perhaps it is not too crazy to imagine an era of people hating Americans and resenting American refugees, even if we try to play the “But I hated America too!” card.

Regardless, obviously being a refugee sucks regardless if one leaves “ahead of the curve” or not. It’s not supposed to be fun to feel coerced into leaving your home to escape doom, as many a country has experienced under American brutality.

It also seems kind of impossible because moving is so expensive, although I understand that if the situation becomes truly dire many Middle Easterners and Latin Americans in the last half century have managed to make grand treks with little to no possessions…although of course, many then end up in terrible situations.

What about you all? What are your situations, considerations, predictions, and interest regarding this topic?

  • EnchantedWhetstones@lemmygrad.ml
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    I want to get the fuck out of the USA. I might be able to hang on to sanity here because I was exposed to the right influences, but honestly the idea of having kids here is frightening. It really forced me to reckon with all the times I’ve hated the way it is here and how it psychologically weighed me down until I stopped noticing it.

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      Right now most of America isn’t a positive or productive place for children. It’s a high intensity class warzone. Children require a predominantly stable community to develop in. Right now our class has yet to develop such a space. The only people who do have such a space is the middle class, although I would hardly consider their sense of community and family to be either productive or positive, only predominantly stable, and the results of this environment of development are clear. Perhaps in the future this will change but it will require solidarity from our class within itself. Unrepentant, unrelenting, unapologetic, and eventually immovable solidarity towards our own distinct and sovereign interests.