They’re only different in terms of their politics, it’s the politics we’re describing but the underlying economic system which not only necessitates it but is serviced by it’s actions is what determines it’s rules, it’s purpose, and it’s livelihood which is why it’s important to discuss in terms of economics not only politics.
All those are overlapping tbh, depending on conditions. I meant more like theory - which is kinda hard in case of liberalism because liberal theory lies all the time.
Came here to say this and Animal Farm. I haven’t read the originating doctrine works of liberalism but as far as books I’ve read (parts of in the process of online debate), those 2.
Fictional book? does “The Gulag Archipelago” count?
Yes, but it’s more fascist than liberal.
Fascism is liberalism. It’s liberalism in decline. The politics are different but the economic system is the same.
Fascism is liberalism, but given the level of reactionary-thought, I’d consider them to be distinct in certain circumstances.
They’re only different in terms of their politics, it’s the politics we’re describing but the underlying economic system which not only necessitates it but is serviced by it’s actions is what determines it’s rules, it’s purpose, and it’s livelihood which is why it’s important to discuss in terms of economics not only politics.
More like Tsarist, fash sympathetic, a little less like liberalism
All those are overlapping tbh, depending on conditions. I meant more like theory - which is kinda hard in case of liberalism because liberal theory lies all the time.
I mean, historically liberals have been against monarchy, but when have libs been consistent?
That’s exactly what i mean, liberal theory lies all the time, if they were consistent there would be no monarchy in Europe for at least 100 years.
Came here to say this and Animal Farm. I haven’t read the originating doctrine works of liberalism but as far as books I’ve read (parts of in the process of online debate), those 2.
Do you mean, like, Bentham, Mill, Locke, Hume, and later Rawls, etc? They’re all worth reading. They’re not liberal in the popular sense of the term, but they clearly reveal what Marxists say about liberalism being the ideology of capitalism and about the relationship between fascism and liberalism. If only liberals (a) read them, (b) paid attention, © accepted that what liberal theorists say they mean by liberalism is exactly what they actually mean, and (d) didn’t apologise for all the racist, sexist, and classist shit that clearly underpins liberalism.
I wasn’t referencing them but yes you understood my point.
It is off topic, but your nickname starts with “Gopnik”, do you know Gopnik subculture and know the venerable Hardbass music genre?