• ComradeSharkfucker@lemmy.ml
    415·
    10 months ago

    You’re mistaken, the state is a collection of proletariat meaning you are a part of the state. You may not be the whole state but it is your land as it is everyone elses

    Atleast as far as I understand it

    • RaivoKulli@sopuli.xyz
      1210·
      10 months ago

      I’ve heard same said about liberal democracy too. “State is made up of us voting citizens” etc etc. Feels as hollow

      • purahna@lemmygrad.mlEnglish
        102·
        10 months ago

        The difference is that liberal democracy is underpinned on the idea that being able to elect a bourgeoise representative is all you need to be fully involved, whereas a socialist system must recognize that collective ownership of a state by the people requires the people have power over everything that happens in that state, law, economics, religion, war, everything. Socialist states exist with this as an ideal and only walk back from this goal with good cause, as opposed to starting with nothing, adding the opportunity to choose bourgeoise representation out of a small pool every once in a while, and calling it good.

        e: added text in italics for clarity

          • purahna@lemmygrad.ml
            41·
            10 months ago

            I’m not sure I understand what you’re getting at, can you elaborate? I’m not advocating making laws about what people are allowed to think, but I’m not sure that’s what you mean

            • RedBaronHarkonnen@lemm.ee
              26·
              10 months ago

              socialist system must recognize that collective ownership of a state requires power over everything that happens in that state, law, economics, religion, war, everything.

              That’s making laws about what people think. That is not socialism but tyranny.

              • purahna@lemmygrad.ml
                61·
                10 months ago

                Sorry, I think this is just a grammatical confusion, let me fix it:

                socialist system must recognize that collective ownership of a state by the people requires the people have power over everything that happens in that state, law, economics, religion, war, everything.

                I’ll go edit the original comment for clarity

                • RedBaronHarkonnen@lemm.ee
                  25·
                  10 months ago

                  the people have* power over everything that happens in that state, law, economics, religion, war, everything.

                  Misinformation. Socialism does not require people to get involved in each other’s religious activities.

                  Do you believe you should have a say over what I do or do not believe?

                  If you do, I disagree.

                  Your words support the criminalization of abortion on religious grounds.

                  Letting government into people’s religious practices is asking for a lot of trouble, and I have a feeling that you’d be just as bothered by it as me.

          • Gorilladrums@sh.itjust.works
            11·
            10 months ago

            The US > literal any socialist state, and it’s not even close. The US is so far above any socialist state past and present that it’s comical when brain damaged Marxists try to compare the two and think it’s a gotcha for them. No, despite all its flaws, the US is objectively a great country, and that’s largely because it’s a liberal democracy. What’s funny is that it’s not even the best liberal democracy, there are others that are better. But even a mediocre liberal democracy is better than anything Marxist. Hell, even a bad liberal democracies are better than anything Marxist. I’d rather live in modern day Botswana or Peru any day of the week over modern day Cuba or any time during the Soviet Union.