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Its more perverted to want to control what other people are jacking to than it is to jack it to porn games. Keep your perversions to yourselves weirdos.
Anyone want to argue why porn video games are a benefit for society, or even a single persons health?
It’s not about porn games. It’s about allowing third-party private interests to engage in censorship.
If Valve were to ban porn games from being sold on Steam because they find them distasteful, I wouldn’t have a problem with this. But it wasn’t Valve’s decision. It was the payment processors who did it on behalf of interests that are apparently allowed to determine what is permissible on other people’s platforms.
That’s not okay.
So this is basically the same as the argument that drugs shouldnt be illegal? Is this just purely based on freedom?
I couldn’t care less… I care about what will be the next thing someone unaffected by me consuming it, would ban it and deprive me of it
No, but you might want to take a step back from that ledge advice a steep much huddy hill.
Frankly I think a lot of modern games are fucked up in their portrayal of the human body, and those relationship sim dress up games are kinda gross.
But I don’t think this should be too to credit card companies to unilaterally decide.
I would say they aren’t as bad as alcohol and gambling, which are pervasive…some of them are just…art…some aren’t :D I could ask you the same about lots of other things, from music to literature. I just don’t like book burning. If someone put their effort into creating something that they thought was worth creating, why is it up to anyone to ban it for any adult that wants to see it?
If someone wants it then they should be allowed it right? Great moral system you have there. Call it the “why not?” gospel.
Nice strawman.
“Pro life feminist”
A christian conservative group in drag,nothing to see here.
Yep. They drive all the decent people out of anti porn feminist spaces, like the porn is misogyny subreddit. They need to be stopped.
fucking fuck fuck fuckers , if they wanted to ban then they should have contacted to steme why payment providers bruh
Because they want to apply their rules to everyone, it’s the entire point for religious assholes
Fuck all religions
Fuck All Religions 😍
I’ll join that cult!
Yeah, rules for thee not for me. Bunch of dildos.
I’m sick of religious sex freaks forcing others to adhere to their puritan fetishes
We need to ban organized religion
Or just live and let live…
And trickle down some economy while we are at it
We’ve tried that one.
if that was an option we would not have to have this discussion.
A tolerant society can not tolerate intolerance. One side will attempt to “just live”, but the intolerant side is incapable of “letting live”, and they will not stop until they replace tolerance with their system of hate.
Live and let live is pretty much the antithesis of organised religion
Why should we? They don’t let us live.
Sure, but since orgaanised religions can’t help to force others to live by their standards, they need to get out of the way. I’m fine with people needing a comfort measure, even if its in the form of an invisibile friend. Whatever helps people sleep at night. However, when they try to force their ideals down everybody elses throat thats a big no.
So, since they can’t ‘live and let live’ they need to go the way of the dodo, fuck off, and leave the rest of society alone.
Meh, I consider religions as political movements. When they go crazy fundamentalist, try to take over and become destructive, sure, shut them down.
But not just based on their future potential to turn destructive, that can happen to any ideology if the conditions are right.
But what undeniable good thing comes from religion? It’s not just that they have the potential for destruction and hate, it’s that those are the only possible outcomes
What undeniable good thing comes from politics?
We could get unions, consumer protections, housing and food and other necessities guaranteed. We don’t, but we could. Politics is just trying to solidify how things are run. Obviously easily can be used for abuse, but can be used for good. Religion from the first step is to tell you how bad of a person you are and how to resolve it: join a cult, deny personal responsibility for anything and put that on whatever deity or subject for hate at the time, all your answers should be sought through your religion and not outside sources
You’re making a lot of value judgements without a whole lot of evidence to back them up. My point is perfect atheist: religious movements are a type of politics with certain aims (not exactly unions, but incidentally communion, charity, etc). It is you who are saying that religion is somehow a special phenomenon who puts them above other ways to organize society…for the worse. Maybe you think that it is because it is irrational and metaphysical. There is plenty of metaphysics in the form of utopias (heaven) in politics, saints/prophets (cult of personality). You just say that bad comes out of religion, but not out of politics…yeah…ok.
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Why did we get refugees from r/atheism? rolls eyes
The majority of the secular world are atheists. Don’t pretend like it is some small subsection just because you live in a bubble of whatever religion you were born into.
Bro I don’t believe in God either. To be honest sometimes I wish I did.
Regardles my problem isn’t with atheism but with specifcally Reddit Atheism
Ew, when did we get reddit’s cringy appeals to the audience talking past the original poster in an ineffectual attempt to throw shade?
People did that on forums before Reddit.
Ah, preachy and unoriginal. Noted.
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Atheism has never been used as the justification for a genocide - can any major religion claim the same? It’s obviously an extreme example, but at the same time it’s not entirely unreasonable to feel superior when comparisons like that are so easy to make.
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A: that is not what I said
B: So the crusades were what, then?
That is so dumb. How would such a small group have that much pull? It seems like gooners would vastly outnumber them.
In the 90s, in my country, a single person made a webpage stating that Microsoft minesweeper promotes war and violence, so since windows 95 if the Windows locale is set to my language, minesweeper becomes “flower field” and you have to find flowers instead of mines
It was due to the actual active minefields in certain region of the EU. But i was always so confused by that name. ‘Prato fiorito’ does it mean that if I step on the flowers i explode? This is what i thought back than.
That sounds like the whatever version of engrish and I love it
And if you step on the flower you DIE.
tbf, The Legend of Zelda: Breath of the Wild enforces those principles too.
These people are loud, most gooners don’t want to be loud about it
Never on the bus, no.
OK now I am not one to lob accusations without evidence, but for any of you kind government agents or AIs reading this, let’s say from anywhere within the Five Eyes since we’re talking about Australia:
We have another fanatical religious conservative organization here that is publicly labeling opposition groups pedos. You know how this has trended in the past. Keep an eye on these people.
We have another fanatical religious conservative organization here that is publicly labeling opposition groups pedos.
projection. they want a monopoly on skeezing on the kiddos.
for some reason people will bend themselves into pretzels to give religious people a pass on buggery. here in washington state, we passed a law mandating the reporting of abused children. conservatives and religious types want to keep these children in their abuse.
Don’t be silly. Government surveillance isn’t for the protection of the people, it’s for the protection of the government.
Has the NSA ever caught a terrorist with their massively invasive privacy violating programs, spending the money on that instead of making people better to not become terrorists? Ask the NSA, they’ll tell you they haven’t stopped a single one.
Government surveillance is in service to these people, why else would they care about the privacy and consent of adults in their free time?
some people on lemmy just license their comments as anti-ai license
Which anyone with half a brain expects to be promptly ignored by web crawlers
No, no, they don’t ignore them. They train with them so that chat gpt is fully capable of acting like it doesn’t want AI models to train on its output, if you ask it to.
McCarthyism back on the menu, heterosexual boys!
Does that group also the same one who defending the release of “cuties” before?
Ah yes, now anyone who enjoys wanking themselves off in private, is also a Pedo, because they ran out of mean words.
Not just any pedo, but a brain-rotted pedo.
That’s presidential material !
It’s been wild watching that word lose every last bit of meaning over the past few years
Almost like it’s the goal. It’s not, they’re just hacky idiots, but it’s almost like that…
It is, and we need a counter-force.
I truly don’t understand how Visa/MasterCard/etc can be pressured. They are basically infrastructure.
What’s someone going to do, stop using credit cards if they don’t stop a store that person doesn’t even patronize from selling morally hazardous goods?
I don’t get how these campaigns are even effective.
The thing is they are American corporations who care to much about their public image. I would be highly suprised if they national payment platforms would also accept this. (ideal/bankcontant/wero/etc)
Probably just worried Trump will over regulate them if they don’t fall in line with the Christian Radicals.
They pressure payment processors through reputation damage and regulatory threats - these companies are terrified of being associated with anything that could trigger banking regulations or get them labeled as “enabling” problematic content in the media, its purely a risk management desicion for them.
Debit Cards, too.
Supposedly there was a ruling in California that made them responsible.
Do you have any info or links about that?
Cryptocurrency is the solution here, and unfortunately that’s an unpopular take here.
That’s because 90% of cryptocurrency marketing consists of “THINK OF THE GAAAAAAINS YOU CAN MAKE!” instead of “You can use this to buy things without government censorship”.
The entire crypto industry has based itself around being a speculative asset, not a currency.
Which is really unfortunate. If you avoid the most popular coins (Bitcoin, Ethereum, etc), you avoid most of the scams and speculation and end up with a decent currency that respects your privacy and has low fees.
monero?
Yup, Monero is probably the best option. I’ve heard good things about Z-cash, and Bitcoin can work on the lightning network.
Tell me more
Monero is perhaps the best option imo. Here’s the official page about it, but basically:
- not profitable to mine, so most miners are enthusiasts who want the coin to succeed
- privacy-focused - basically creates a ton of fake transactions to mislead snoopers
- relatively popular - seems to be the most popular coin recommended by privacy enthusiasts (e.g. Mental Outlaw, he even gives a discount on his store for Monero)
- not popular among speculators - they mostly stick to the big ones (BTC and ETH), as well as new startup coins
- low cost transactions, fairly short transaction window
It’s far from ubiquitous, but it’s popular enough that if a place accepts any crypto, there’s a good chance they accept Monero as well.
Is it really the best option when no business uses them?
Some do, which is a lot more than GNU Taler. I don’t know of another digital payment system that has more usage that isn’t dominated by a handful of companies.
Here are some examples of things you can buy today w/ Monero:
- gift cards
- Mullvad VPN
- Based.win - Mental Outlaw’s online store
- a handful of other places, and and some more
It’s far from ubiquitous, but it is being accepted today. If any of those places interest you, I recommend putting a small amount of money into Monero and trying it out.
Not when exchanges still govern taking money out. They are businesses like everything else and will be just as risk averse
One benefit to payment processing for crypto is that there’s little in the way of material limitations on processing payments. The blockchain for a given coin already exists, your job as a processor is primarily to convert those on-chain transactions into and out of other currencies. Only requiring intervention at the point of entering or exiting dollars to and from the system changes a lot of the dynamics.
It’s pretty easy to switch between cryptocurrencies, so they can surely find an exchange that is friendly to their business. That’s way better than the credit card situation where there are only four major processors–Visa, Mastercard, Discover, and American Express–and only two of those actually matter.
None of what you said addresses the problem I mentioned.
Then I guess I don’t understand your problem.
Payment processors like Visa and Mastercard control a huge chunk of the market, which gives them a lot of say in what transactions are allowed. Even if you avoid credit, most debit cards go through those two companies, so they can restrict what transactions you can make.
With cryptocurrencies, there’s no restriction at the point of sale. Your problem seems to be that converting crypto to fiat could be problematic, and they’d potentially be stuck with “useless” currency. My point is that’s a much easier problem to solve:
- if their exchange stops converting a given currency, they can convert to one they do accept
- if their exchange bans their account (e.g. due to the nature of their business), they can switch exchanges
- there are ATMs that dispense cash for crypto
- if no exchange will work with them, they can make direct exchanges with regular people (i.e. “launder” the money)
- they can also spend the currency directly
There are a ton of options to convert crypto to fiat, there are far fewer to select a different fiat payment processor.
Are we wagering this absurdity is built on projection?
cause I’m wagering this absurdity is built on them projecting.
It always is. These are the type of folks who have that feeling of shame wash over after they bust a nut to something they “despise.”
That literally all these types of groups are. They want us to feel the same shame, too. I wish folks could just keep their shit to themselves. Have rules for your own home, sure, but eat shit and rot if you think you should be able to tell me how I should live my life.
I draw the line at abuse, but yeah, otherwise agree.
Totally. I just mean if you don’t want porn or violence in your home more power to ya, but keep your rules to yourself. Let me live and enjoy my life.
Definitely. Always is. And I do mean always.
Collective Shout claim it’s about harm reduction, but then push an agenda that functionally amounts to moral panic.
Their approach is identical in logic to the “GTA causes school shootings” hysteria: loud, pearl-clutching, and utterly unmoored from data.
If Collective Shout want to argue these games cause harm, then show us the harm. Not correlation. Not outrage. Not hypothetical downstream consequences. Show causation. Peer-reviewed. Reproducible.
Otherwise, they’re just moralizing bullies using the banking system as a cudgel.
On top of this, they might actually be harming their own cause. The catharsis hypothesis poses that sexual fantasy enactment might reduce risk of real world harm.
The logic is simple: suppressing a compulsion doesn’t eliminate it. It just bottles up until it explodes. Redirect it into a safe outlet, and it becomes manageable.
The only reason this research isn’t cited more often is because it’s politically radioactive. Nobody wants to admit that it’s better to let a gooners jerk off, than to escalate under repression.
The burden of proof SHOULD be on Collective Shout to provide a reasonable argument which supports their claim that censorship will reduce real world harm.
Current working theory in psychology: it doesn’t. Emerging theory suggests: they’re shooting themselves (and potential rape victims) in the foot.
The real solution to real-world harm involves empathy, autonomy and education.
Furthermore…
Their decision to target the payment processors - not the developers, or itch.io, or steam, is some of the most cowardly and authoritarian things I’ve ever seen in the gaming space.
It’s economic coercion; a playbook used by religious bigots and authoritarians for decades. Financial censorship by proxy. IMO: they should fuck off.
Even Furthermore…
Wanna censor it? Good fucking idea /s
Shoving that shit into the shadows doesn’t make it go away, it just makes it untraceable, unmoderated, and unaccountable.
If you care even remotely about preventing harm, you don’t force taboo communities off the grid. You keep them where they can be seen, tracked, and contained… preferably behind legal firewalls, age gates, and content filters.
If you push them into the dark web… then congratulations… you’ve just built a Petri dish for escalation, radicalization, and actual predation.
They are religious nutjobs, they don’t care about causation.
I thought they were a feminist group
TERFs are as feminist as Nazis are socialist and North Korea is democratic. It’s in the acronym; that’s it.
Sadly from my experiences with feminist groups, TERFs have historically been the norm not the exception.
You should really look into what the Daughters of Bilitis were up to, and books like the The Transsexual Empire. A book I cannot say the full name of for it contains a slur.
Historically feminist groups have attacked transgender women and gay men for “Infringing upon what it means to be a woman.”
I believe they’re a religious group under the guise of feminism and child protection. If you look at their affiliate page, they list quite a few religious groups.
Feminism isn’t a religion?
In what way is Feminism a religion? Do feminists pray to Lilith? Is there a Woman Church? Is International Women’s Day the Christmas of this religion?
Think before you say silly things.
Feminism increasingly displays an in-group out-group dynamic characteristic of religions.
They’re increasingly dogmatic with their teachings, a feminist will spout party lines without thinking about them precisely the way a christian will.
A god hasn’t emerged yet afaik but a canon of saints is emerging, to include Marie Curie and Amelia Earhart.
Unironically yes, who else has any use for International Women’s Day.
They’ve even got unhinged extremists, like these assholes in Australia.
We have examples today of the real harm of this, like in Afghanistan. It’s interesting that western societies are overall less religious as ever, yet religion keeps getting shoved down our throats… and winning.
If I’m not mistaken it’s not a religious group doing it because Jesus, it’s a feminist group doing it because they blame porn for the existence of transpeople
Porn and prostitution do have historical correlation with the existence of trans people. Namely that when we’re kept from all other means of making money these industries help us continue to afford food and shelter.
That’s one of the things that pisses me off most about all this. By calling us pornographic they’re calling for us to be forced back into an exploitative relationship with the porn and sex industries.
Really goes to show people. It doesn’t matter the religion. They all are bullshit machines for people to act superior than others. Fuck these twat waffles.
The same group who complained Detroit Become Human is bad for glorifying child abuse and women abuse. Yet supported Cuties…
It’s because they want real child abuse. Not that fake stuff
Bro, have you seen e621 lately? That place needs quite a lot of pruning. I don’t know what the admins are doing, it went too far in the other direction!
I’ve never heard of it and I’m scared to google it. What is it?
r34 for furry porn
very similar to rule 34 in terms of content. I haven’t been on it in ages tho so I can’t speak for it as of late. if I had to guess it’s probably had an influx of AI slop that’s causing issues, other online image boards have been suffering from that as well.
I like how the language is ‘claims responsibility.’ You know. Like terrorist groups do after an attack
They have suceeded
