Long story short - I have slightly more than a year left before I’m legally required to serve in the Ukrainian military, not that it matters that much since they grab people off the streets anyway, but it will be an even bigger problem since I will officially have no “excuse” not to serve and will have to hide or escape before then, and it doesn’t look like the war will end for the next god knows how many years. Has anyone here draft-dodged or escaped their country in a similar manner before? If so, any advice on how to do so?
Kudos to you! Don’t let them take you.
Travel to Canada on a tourist visa and don’t come back?
Millions and millions of young Ukrainians have fled already. Surely someone left a how-to, right?
I’m sorry to say that men aren’t allowed to leave the country, well, men over 22, and I’m legally classified as male and am slightly older than that, just barely not to be allowed out. While I’ve been on E for more than a year, I don’t think the military will recognize my B cups as an excuse to not send me to die(and I’ve had plenty of govt/medcare workers mock me implying that I’m transitioning to dodge draft. Don’t get me wrong, that’s based, but not what I’m doing it for as I’m DIY). I have someone I love very deeply in the states, so I can just stay there. It’s the crossing of the Ukrainian border that’s the issue. The thing about doing so illegally is that you have to know someone, and have money to do so. I fit neither of those qualifications. I’m sure there must be some loophole, I don’t think this government is good at anything, even at maintaining a meatgrinder, but idk if I can find it in time.
Uff, without these two, things are even more complicated and options are tremendously scarce. However, let’s try to brainstorm some options and see if people add others:
Thank you for the insight, I am saving money atm (though an english teacher’s salary isn’t exactly the best for doing so I am working on a fansly account to hopefully get at least some pennies in) for that exact reason, and I have some support from overseas but it’s not too reliable. I’ll try looking for smuggling options, tho the govt here cracks down on that kinda stuff pretty heavily. I actually haven’t checked the embassy bit, thank you for suggesting that - maybe I’ll find some luck there. As for living somewhere away - I’m living not that far from my old home but there is no contractual documentation that would let the govt know that I live here, and my job kinda makes me live a secluded work-from-home life, which is a small extra layer of safety.
Ok, knowing that you have a source of income and help from abroad puts you in a better position! Ok, let’s try to asses more options:
As for the smugglers, it is as you said. However, the strength of border patrols won’t be the same and it will deteriorate. This option will involve actively looking for a smuggler and saving up money. According to a Russian source, that opportunity might come soon:
A safe way here will be to patiently wait for this opportunity and constantly check for updates on this regard. As for the smugglers, there is just too much money on this so, even if the gov’t cracks it, it will won’t go away. I am confident that you will find one when the time is right.
The other option which is surviving while the war ends(it could take years as you said):
Not sure how safe is this one but check for communities or NGOs that offer social services. In other words, it will be necessary to find a way to organize through some local grassroot that help people in need. Usually, people in this orgs are heavily connected and might give you ideas on plenty of stuff.
Save as much money and wait until the collapse of the gov’t. This option will require to increase the level of your personal security as much as possible and/or join local orgs. Example of this are what my countrymen in the US do which is their local networks designed to inform the community of ICE raids.
(This is the worst case scenario and only if you find there are no other options left) Organize to fight back the TCC or join a sabotage org
Oooooh I didn’t know about the Belarus effort. I’ll need to set up a vpn to access .ru domains again. While I live in the south (Odesa to be exact) I think it would be worth it to travel north to try this way should it be fruitful, though I gotta learn how to properly look for smugglers. By the way, regarding locals warning of ICE - we have telegram groups warning people of kidnapper busses so the ghouls have to hide and cover their buses to blend in all the time. Different countries, same concept effectively. Thank you, this has been most helpful, actually.
Stay safe and wish you the best comrade! Hopefully, a more viable solution will appear!
Hope you are doing great comrade! Just remembered you today and wanted to share with you this information that it may be to your interest!
In November, over 8 500 Ukrainian citizens fled to Belarus.
Price for escaping is around $12 000 according to this post where there is a screenshot with the price
Stay safe and I wish you success in whatever you decide!
Hook up with people in Germany that can come in as visitors and maybe escort you out. I’d try the Romanian border instead though and pre-arrange bribing the border guards. No shame in that. I don’t know if it’s viable to do a border crossing on foot but I’ve known at least one person who entered Ukraine from the south remarkably easy so getting out may not be too hard in emergencies. Be very careful with any option.
Thank you, I actually haven’t heard much of people running from the south, mostly just attempting to swim across a river in the west (and get caught). Now that I think about it, I prolly don’t hear about it cause they have no problem leaving the country lmao. One more direction to look at.