Western-made armor is failing in Ukraine because it wasn’t designed to sustain a conflict of this intensity, a military analyst told The Wall Street Journal.

Taras Chmut, a military analyst who’s the head of the Come Back Alive Foundation, which has raised money to purchase and provide arms and equipment to Ukraine, said that “a lot of Western armor doesn’t work here because it had been created not for an all-out war but for conflicts of low or medium intensity.”

“If you throw it into a mass offensive, it just doesn’t perform,” he said.

Chmut went on to say Ukraine’s Western allies should instead turn their attention to delivering simpler and cheaper systems, but in larger quantities, something Ukraine has repeatedly requested, the newspaper reported.

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    Western doctrine is what happens when you ask nazis, people who ideologically are incapable of learning from history, “Hey, why did you lose to the Soviets? How should we beat them?”

    Please note that ukraine and russia were both part of the USSR during this period so claiming this is “Russian propaganda” is denigrating the lives of millions of Ukrainian soldiers and civilians who died at the hands of the nazis or pushing nazis out of eastern europe. (Also even if you could say it was favorable to Russia, which it is not, it is also factually true)

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      Remind us which is the one who could not subdue a country, one-fifth the size, in ten days as planned in the early days of the “special military operation”? Which one regained 200 km of ground last year? And which one is struggling to contain an offensive and could not make any more advances in the past 18 months?

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        Note that my comment isn’t pro Russia, it is just ragging on NATO thinking listening to nazis about war was a smart idea. As I explicitly stated. Since the illegal dissolution of the Soviet Union Russia’s military has been running on a skeleton crew and not adapted to that at all.

        Which one regained 200 km of ground last year?

        You do understand that 200 square kilometers is really small right? Like, look at their gains on a map. Not my dog not my fight but kinda a weaksauce argument.

        And which one is struggling to contain an offensive and could not make any more advances in the past 18 months?

        ??? Only 200 kilometers. And it is October.

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          200km is the size of the area liberated in the Kharkiv oblast from last year (I forgot about the Kherson area liberated from last year too, which is roughly of the same size).

          Anyhow, the amount that the area reconquered by Ukraine in the past year is still a lot than what Russia has gained since the start of the invasion.

          You claim to not be pro-Russia and yet keep invoking about Nazis this and that, a talking point repeated by Kremlin propaganda. It is very telling where your sympathy tuly lies. No matter, Ukraine is still surprisingly militarily competent than the Russians. The results of Ukrainian territorial gains and Russian military losses speak for themselves (and let’s not forget that Crimea is now vulnerable to Ukrainian missiles, which just wrecked the Russian Black Sea naval command).

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            You claim to not be pro-Russia and yet keep invoking about Nazis this and that, a talking point repeated by Kremlin propaganda.

            Is bringing up actual history that explains nato doctrinal failures (not even ukrainian, theyre just working with what they’ve been given, which is equipment meant for a shitty doctrine) that actually happened evil Russian propaganda now?

            You must be really upset at those mainstream US news outlets reporting on the Waffen SS criminal being applauded by the Canadian Parliament and Zelensky. So it didn’t happen, it is just Russian propaganda.

            No matter, Ukraine is still surprisingly militarily competent than the Russians. The results of Ukrainian territorial gains and Russian military losses speak for themselves (and let’s not forget that Crimea is now vulnerable to Ukrainian missiles, which just wrecked the Russian Black Sea naval command)

            Yes, this:

            https://ichef.bbci.co.uk/news/640/cpsprodpb/8CC0/production/_130623063_ukraine_zoomed_in_territory_zaporizhzhia_region_640-2x-nc.png

            Is worth depleting your strategic reserves over. This reeks of Hitler in his bunker energy, except youre in an armchair halfway across the world.

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              NATO doctrine is not based on Nazi doctrine as you’re pushing. And the Canadian Parliament buffonishly applauding a Ukrainian Nazi has nothing to do with Ukrainian war. And lastly, the amount of territory that Ukraine has liberated in Zaporizhia is still a lot more than what the Russians have taken in the past 10 months. Show me how much land Russia has taken since they lost Kharkiv and Kherson oblasts?

              I see that you have brought up Ukraine losing strategic reserves, a common Russian propaganda talking point. If Ukraine is losing plenty more trooops, they would not be conducting more offensives along the front line. If Russia has more reserves, why are they struggling for 10 months and had to rely on Wagner recruiting prisoners and losing 20,000 in capturing Bakhmut? Why did Russia deploy the Russian paratroopers from Bakhmut to Zaporizhia, even though the area around Bakhmut is slowly being retaken by Ukraine? Why could Russia not send more troops in Nagarno-Karabakh to prevent Azerbaijan and Armenian conflict if Russia still have more troops to spare to keep the peace? And why could Russia not do the same last year when Kyrgyzstan and Tajikistan had border conflict when they sent troops to between bickering neighbours?

              If the Russian doctrine is better, why have they still not defeated Ukraine? Seeing as how your English has gotten bad since your first comment and how grossly inaccurate your assertions are, you’re not really fooling anyone in this forum with ridiculous spins from whatever script you’re reading. The only people who would believe your spin are the domestic Russians subjected to censorship. But even then, they could get more accurate information from the likes of Telegram and WhatsApp to bypass censorship. As one of the Russian TV pundits say it, Russian losses in Ukraine is too big to ignore to be massaged by government PR. But i will give this to Kremlin, they have won the hearts and minds of the Russian public to convince them to turn a blind eye to the war in Ukraine. Other countries would have already protested and try to overthrow their government for the bad performance.

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      Western doctrine is also largely based on the US’ needs. Artillery just isn’t practical for the US, who needs to be prepared to fight all over the world oceans away from home. Artillery is much more stationary compared to air power due to the size of the guns and the difficulty moving them, while the US can easily fly planes anywhere we need them. As such, Western doctrine became heavily reliant on having air supremacy and massive amounts of air support and our equipment was designed for that battlefield. Ukraine just doesn’t have nearly the same arial capabilities as NATO, relying much more on artillery which NATO weapons and doctrine weren’t designed around, and they’re having to figure out how to make them work without air power

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        Yes, because US military doctrine is meant for colonialism, not fighting a war. Theyre a piper tiger and now the world knows it.

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        So brave. Well, I’m off to the power plant, those ukrainian red army soldiers and civilians spinning in their graves aren’t going to hooked up to generators by themselves.

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            Right wingers stop using rape cynically challenge difficulty level impossible.

            Right wingers putting a content warning before talking about a traumatic experience 1/3 of women experience difficulty level impossible

            What are you doing to fight rape in your community? How are you fighting the US military, the largest band of rapists on the planet? Facebook posts don’t count.

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              Classic whataboutism there.

              But to answer your questions, I vote for candidates that take rape allegations and the abysmal police and military response to rapes seriously. I support my family, friends and community members who have been raped or expienced sexual assault, in whatever way thay helps the get the closure they desire.

              I don’t have Facebook, and I agree, it doesn’t count.

              I agree, the far right is a bunch of shitheads. Trump should swing, and all his cronies should be forced to watch from prison.

              Say all you want about the US military, but they haven’t let violent rapists out of prison and promised them pardons if they commit war crimes on neighboring sovereign nations.

              Honestly, I’m just wasting time here. You aren’t paid to argue in good faith anyway.

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                Cries of “whataboutism” were silly when those cries were used to justify British imperialism in Ireland and they’re silly now.

                But to answer your questions, I vote for candidates that take rape allegations and the abysmal police and military response to rapes seriously.

                We live in an oligarchy, So your vote is meaningless.

                I support my family, friends and community members who have been raped or expienced sexual assault, in whatever way thay helps the get the closure they desire.

                Wow, that is incredibly vague, and does nothing about the larger issue. It is entirely reactionary without any proactive components.

                I agree, the far right is a bunch of shitheads.

                Yes, I am glad we agree you’re a shithead.

                Say all you want about the US military, but they haven’t let violent rapists out of prison and promised them pardons if they commit war crimes on neighboring sovereign nations.

                Oh they’ve done much worse. They’ve killed millions of people in West Asia over the last two decades. Most women in the military experience some form of sexual violence, and those women are on their team.

                Honestly, I’m just wasting time here. You aren’t paid to argue in good faith anyway.

                Lmao, baselessly accusing me of being a paid actor while accusing me of bad faith.

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                  Cries of “whataboutism” were silly when those cries were used to justify British imperialism in Ireland and they’re silly now.

                  Why are we bringing this up? What does this have to do with the 100% Geneva Convention Violation warcrime run Russia has been doing in Ukraine for over a year at this point?

                  Yes, I am glad we agree you’re a shithead.

                  Shithead, maybe, rightwing… I don’t think I really need to defend myself from this point. It’s hilarious how out of touch you are.

                  They’ve killed millions of people in West Asia over the last two decades. Most women in the military experience some form of sexual violence, and those women are on their team.

                  War is hell comrade. Go ahead and post some numbers about Russia’s record on those items before you point a finger at the US. Before you yell whataboutism, remember that the topic in this conversation was the warcrime that Russia is currently commiting.

                  Lmao, baselessly accusing me of being a paid actor while accusing me of bad faith.

                  There is a lot more evidence of you being a Russian warcrime apologist than there is of me being a right-winger :)