I can’t say I’ve ever seen that. Partly because my friends would never attack someone for linking something, partly because I’ve never met anyone who likes Discovery.
I actually liked that Archer was so often out of his depth and had to put on a false confidence. It’d be weird if Starfleet just immediately hit the ground running with an absolute heavyweight of a captain like Picard or something.
I feel like it was a purposeful character choice to have him bumbling around, not really sure what the fuck he was doing, but having to act as if he did for the sake of the crew.
He’s meant to be somewhat bad at his job.
Not to mention that a lot of his actions become the basis for which the Prime Directive is created. Dude was a bit less “cowboy diplomacy” and more straightforward “cowboy” with decision making.
The “your not my real dad!” relationship with Vulcans at the started didn’t help either.
Happy to have first watched Enterprise more than ten years after its initial run.
Let me watch it objectively without too much influencing from outside…I’m watching it for the first time, almost at the end of s3. Honestly it’s pretty decent. The Xindi stuff was on shaky ground for a while, but they recovered. It’s good, but I haven’t had any episodes stand out as particularly excellent or terrible
That’s it: Overall pretty solid.
E.g. definitely better first season than TNG.
Xindi was crap imho, but some really good stuff in season 4.
I was sad that they didn’t produce more after that.That first season of tng showed us how functional data is I wouldn’t change it for the urge
The Xindi arc has value as a snapshot of american mindset post 9-11. Justifying torture as an answer to terrorist act in a Star Trek series was wild.
I’m glad they covered it but disgusted they leaned into it.
Yes, heard that take before!
Probably the reason I hated it.
Just not what I am watching Star Trek for…
I’m just gonna say it. When writing things, you should never fuck with time. There are very good shows that do a good job of it, without it becoming the answer to everything.
Star Trek is not one of those shows. (Dr. who, comes to mind.)
Still over all enjoyed enterprise.
The time loop episode of TNG (Cause and Effect) is one of my favourite things I have ever watched. But that doesn’t affect the overall timeline so I don’t think it counts against your argument, which I agree with.
that’s part of the problem with screwing around with all the timey-whimey stuff.
At the end of the day, it changes nothing. Like the year of hell arc in Voyager, with the krennim. the other species. all of that was just filler.
If the year of hell had been the entirety voyager it would have been the best star trek series ever
I swear, you can check the IMDb page for just about any sci-fi series, and there is about a 50% chance the top rated episode is a time loop episode.
In the case of Voyager, the top is s6e12 “Blink of an Eye” which involves a time-dilated planet. So, close enough.
The one where they’re naked in the blue room or whatever
The one where the dog might die
I wish I had watched it when it first came out. I was one of those who lsitened to others saying it wasn’t good. Since I was deployed I couldn’t watch it live so I never did watch it until about a decade later. Now it’s one of my top ten favorite trek series.
I kid, it’s #4 behind VOY, DS9, and TNG
it’s #4 behind VOY, DS9, and TNG
I largely agree with you here, with the exception of VOY.
Only Trek series I had to force myself through (even omitting an especially bad season almost completely - I think it was season 2…?).
Didn’t watch Discovery yet, though, and not sure if I should… ;-)
I don’t care for a lot of discovery, but I can’t say it’s not entertaining. I have made it to season 2 episode 9 so far. Not sure why but I stopped there and picked up another show.
It doesn’t rank in my top 3 series, but it’s not deserving of all the hate it gets.
I love strange new worlds, haven’t seen the newest season yet but I’m working on rewatching the whole series.
I haven’t seen Picard, and honestly I don’t think I will. I won’t pass judgment on it’s quality, as I haven’t seen any of it, but I know enough to know I might be disappointed.
And if I’m being honest with myself I just want to keep the nostalgia of TNG the way it is: Pretending Nemesis never happened.
The new shows are overall good. Every show has its hits and misses. I skip a lot of season 1 TNG.
And I skip the intro of every Enterprise episode. No, I don’t have enough faith, at least not while watching the show. It’s a banger though and in my Playlist.
It’s okay to not like the new shows, it’s not okay to shit on other people who do.
I hate to break it to you but s3 of SNW takes a major dip in quality.
S3 of Picard is watchable without having seen the first 2 seasons (the second season is the worst Star Trek I have ever sat through), and gives the characters the send off they deserve.
Despite the issues with S3, I’d still say it isn’t horrible and worth watching. There’s a couple good episodes, and hey - it’s not TNG S1.
TNG S1 also had several good episodes.
I loved the first two seasons of SNW, but I had to stop watching at the holodeck episode in season 3. Are there any episodes after that one that are worth watching?
There’s one where the enterprise gets trapped by a giant scavenger ship which is ok, if a bit cliché. I stopped watching after maybe episode 7.
Imo Episode 9 is a good one too, although they fumbled the ending somewhat. The Gorn get some much needed depth and Ortegas is havily featured.
New stuff always draws fire because of the hypothetical great thing the creators could be doing instead. Time will pass, it will become old and familiar, the hate will burn out, and people will start to eventually appreciate it for what is actually was instead of hating it for what it wasn’t.
Lame that people care so much what other people like.
At least in my peer group, people hated Voyager when it was running too.
I remember people hating on DS9 and TNG as well.
Pretty much every series has had plenty of people who just hate it for not being the previous series.
Which is why I ignored people dogging on Discovery and just watched and enjoyed it, same as the rest.
(I’ll admit to being harsh on Enterprise at first, but a lot of it was that intro… Plus, it did take a while to get its feet under it)
I didn’t necessarily hate it, but it was a significant step down after DS9 and TNG.
(And to demonstrate that I am not biased against new Star Treks: I am one of the few human beings alive who loved the first season of Star Trek: Picard when it came out!)
There was alot to like about Voyager but they also dropped the ball alot too.
I considered putting Janeway’s head on the character in the background here
Enterprise wasn’t my favorite but I understand how people like it. Strange New Worlds is weird but I understand how people like it. Picard was a shitload of fan service but I understand how people like it. Lower Decks has very generic animation, but I understand how people can like it.
Discovery took everything that made Star Trek Star Trek and told it to go fuck itself. I don’t understand how people can like it.
Discovery took everything that made Star Trek Star Trek and told it to go fuck itself. I don’t understand how people can like it.
Yeah me neither, but I still sorta like the show in a popcorn movie kinda of way. What really really annoys me about the show is Michelle Yeoh. A major miscast. Great actress but she can’t really play a evil bitch boss convincingly, she just reminds me of the try-hard Asian tiger moms in my family. Just straight up cringe. I’m still glad Discovery exists so Strange New Worlds could get greenlit.
Discovery took everything that made Star Trek Star Trek and told it to go fuck itself. I don’t understand how people can like it.
Have you watched past the reveal of Captain Lorca’s past?
The reveal makes many of the very not-Trek first season issues suddenly feel much Trek.
I can see how that reveal might not play well to some. But it worked for me, and helped me forgive a bunch of issues I had with Discovery season 1.
I waited for the big reveal that all took place in the Mirrorverse. That would have explained a lot!
Then have them travel to our Universe and adapt to it. But no, between Archer and Kirk Starfleet must have recruited just the worst of the worst.
Could have been a cool story.
I had the opposite reaction to the Lorca reveal. He was the only interesting character at that point and they just threw it away.
I didn’t find him to be the only interesting character, but I agree. They sacrificed depth and nuance in favour of a shallow shock twist. One of the bigger missteps of season 1.
Airiam was also an interesting character. Unfortunately,
Season 2 spoiler
She was basically just Background Crewman #6 until the episode that actually featured her. The episode that finally explained what the hell she actually was, then promptly killed her off.
Probably my biggest issue with the series.
That part really set it astray from most Trek. A full ship, with more than a handful of people on the bridge set alone, and they only focus on maybe 4 for the full run.
It was such a relief, to me. He was interesting and compelling, but his achieving a rank of Captain in Starfleet, and then throwing it away to Mary sue with Burnam, felt silly to me.
The reveal fixes this. Although they could have been more explicit that
Spoiler S1 Discovery
It seems like Mirror Lorca killed and disposed of original Lorca, after original Lorca became a Captain. And then relied on people’s trust for original Lorca to not get run out of Starfleet before accomplishing his plans.
The mirror universe episodes of Trek are my least favorite. Making that an integral part of a show that had already retconed a bunch of crap and added the force but mushrooms was the final straw for me.
If you mean something further than that then no, but frankly I shouldn’t have to watch a dozen or more hours of a show to get to the good part.
I am glad you liked it though.
Yeah. If you didn’t care for mirror episodes,
spoiler S1 Discovery
A season of “Oops! All Mirror Universe” wouldn’t be a nice reveal. Haha.
Aside from the fucking God awful theme song, I actually liked Enterprise
I didn’t like the theme song at all at first, but near the end of season 2 it finally started to grow on me.
Then they changed it and made it more poppy in season 3 and I never, ever grew to like that version, it was just awful.
That’s what blew my mind. Like there was obviously a high level conversation regarding the theme song after season 2, and the solution they settled on was ’ what if make it even gayer than it already is?’ and everyone agreed
I actually liked the theme song tbh. Its cheesy but has a charm to it and I think it fits the “early exploration” kind of vibe they seemed to be going for with the setting and timeframe choice.
I like it, but for some reason I don’t like it as the intro.
It totally fits the theme like you say, it definitely has an uplifting hopeful tone.
But it’s just out of place in my brain, so I skip it while watching the show.
Doesn’t stop me from jamming out to it in the car.
It’s that the one that goes “ITS BEEN A LONG ROOOAD”
cuz that part, only that part, has been stuck in my head since childhood from when my dad would watch
Of all the ST series, this is the only intro I skipped. Don’t even think I heard the whole thing even once.
Which new show am I hating on?
(Also I liked enterprise. Just skip the last episode with Ryker apparently being Chef.)(discovery. Not so much.)
The good news is the last episode isn’t exactly canon. The way it was presented as a holodeck adventure, any amount of it could have been made up, and probably was.
Really, all it added to canon was that Riker was hitting up the holodeck a lot during the events of a pre-existing TNG episode.
It truly was about as terrible and insulting a send off as they could have come up with.
the last episode with Ryker apparently being Chef
Discovery
What do you mean chef riker. Enterprise was cancelled after season 4, episode 21 and nobody can convince me otherwise!
Episode 22 wasn’t a real episode. Some loser made a deep fake fan fiction!
The upcoming Starfleet Academy most likely.
This happens in many fandoms, over generations. They get too drunk on nostalgia, to the point of hating minute differences/inconsistencies. Especially the most active members, which (I theorize) tend to be fondest of the originals.
See: the hate for Andor.
Andor is good precisely because it’s nothing like most other Star Wars media, so there’s a lot of people who enjoy it that aren’t part of the Star Wars fandom.
The only problem I have with Andor is, “Would you like to see more? Well… sorry!”
Andor is good precisely because the writing is great with good character arcs and it never leans on nostalgia or fan service.
While also generally respecting the lore. As a die hard fan, I loved it. It had a unique perspective, amazing writing. Amazing actors. It fit into the broader universe while doing its own thing. Did it have Jedi? No. Did it need Jedi? Also no.
Compare that to discovery. None of that were minor changes, the show makes more sense if you assume everyone is tripping balls of Magic’s space shrooms.
It literallly felt like the only reason it was Trek was marketing and the writers just wanted to tell their own story. (Which would have been fine. I’d probably be more forgiving if it wasn’t trek.)
+1
It’s grounded, too. Which I guess falls under ‘good writing’
Andor is a SW show for people who hate Star Wars, and it works. (Not unlike how the Nolanized Batman was a superhero movie for people who hate superheroes.)
It’s not my thing, but no one’s making me watch it, so no big deal.
Yeah, that fits me.
I mostly only liked the Old Republic stuff, but Andor floored me.
Shit… this means I might end up enjoying STD in like 10 years. Please don’t tell me I’m gonna be an STD fan.
STD grows on you.
STD will make you all warm and fuzzy.
STD is a viral sensation
I don’t hate it. Why would I? These fans need to in their own language ‘touch grass’.
This is exactly right. Very well done.
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