I took a 20k paycut to go from in-person private industry with an hour commute to a fully remote federal position. I have never been happier in my life. I’m not exaggerating. I eat better, sleep better, exercise every day, spend more time with my family, get so much more done around the house. I could keep going. Every part of my life is better. Hell, my wife and I have better sex more often even. Easily worth 20k.
The job is kinda paying you for you commute then, which is something they should have been doing anyway. This just makes it more confusing than paying for your travel time.
Not who you responded to but I have a set amount for non WFH. You see I work for who I want not who wants me. The WFH position is different from the non WFH one and requires different compensation.
Ah yeah I hear ya. If you’re switching jobs then go for it. I was thinking more like, your boss comes up to you (zooms you I guess) and says, “we’re gonna cut your pay because you don’t have to drive to work any more”
Yeah that would not cut it. I won’t sign a contract with that. We can go on as written or they can drop me. Lowering compensation is never going to fly with me.
But also, the company is saving money by not paying for an office, so I can argue that they need to pay me the same salary as rent for my office space.
Like, say I can work from home but I don’t have the space. Now I need a more expensive place with an extra room that I can dedicate for an office.
I don’t have the option of working from home, I’m just saying don’t let those fuckers hoodwink you in to less than you’re worth.
That office will be there in that building whether you are in it or not.
The only thing you’re saving is the power your computer would use and the miniscule amount of energy that it took to cool down your body heat and maybe an elevator if you go up at all by yourself
That’s absolutely valid but still isn’t an argument against being paid more to work from the office. If anything it shows you understand compensation for working from a specific location you’re just grandstanding for WFH.
No, I’m saying companies will say anything to justify paying you less. Don’t fall for it.
I’m saying you should be paid the same for the work you do whether you work from home or the office. If they’ll compensate you extra for travel, good, but without a union, good luck on that one.
I get what you’re saying now though, you’re speaking on less pay for the same work. If my boss offered me less pay for WFH I’d jump on it but my responsibilities would also be reduced and a number of other reasons it’s different for my current job.
Yeah I can see how that’s appealing, but it sets a precedent that will further enshittify the job market.
I understand that people have to do what’s best for them and their families and without a union making a stand like that would be damn near impossible. I’m just some guy on the internet but these are my thoughts on it.
Easily $20k for me.
Edit: I probably wasn’t clear. I work remote. It would take at a minimum $20k extra to consider a non-remote job.
Don’t set this precedent. You’re paid for the work you do, not where you do it.
I’d get a job somewhere else that paid less if I could work from home.
Commuting costs time and money. If I can break even on the commute cost, I’m happy.
I took a 20k paycut to go from in-person private industry with an hour commute to a fully remote federal position. I have never been happier in my life. I’m not exaggerating. I eat better, sleep better, exercise every day, spend more time with my family, get so much more done around the house. I could keep going. Every part of my life is better. Hell, my wife and I have better sex more often even. Easily worth 20k.
I’m at home and my wife is in the office about half the week. It’s amazing how much time I have each week to do whatever.
I work more than 40 hours a week because I don’t have to commute. It’s a huge win!
Do you get paid for that extra work you put in?
Well I’m self employed, so yes and no.
Well, so long as you don’t abuse and take advantage of yourself.
Thanks for the concern. Is not too bad. It’s still less hours than a 40 hour week + a commute.
Commuting cost more than money
Commuting cost time, which is priceless.
My company has a work from home culture desk that allows its employees to work from anywhere on the Greenwich meridian +/- 1 hour
I wouldn’t leave for a WFO job until I’m paid €50000 more
I completely agree, my wife took an office job because the pay was a significant bump.
thats more than I would require but I actually think Im undervaluing it a bit as im basically doin 25%
The job is kinda paying you for you commute then, which is something they should have been doing anyway. This just makes it more confusing than paying for your travel time.
Not who you responded to but I have a set amount for non WFH. You see I work for who I want not who wants me. The WFH position is different from the non WFH one and requires different compensation.
Ah yeah I hear ya. If you’re switching jobs then go for it. I was thinking more like, your boss comes up to you (zooms you I guess) and says, “we’re gonna cut your pay because you don’t have to drive to work any more”
Yeah that would not cut it. I won’t sign a contract with that. We can go on as written or they can drop me. Lowering compensation is never going to fly with me.
The simple fact is that if you were wasting $100 a month on fuel you were working for $100 a month less already.
Just be real, benefits are part of your pay and your commute can either be a good part of your benefits or a negotiation in higher pay.
But also, the company is saving money by not paying for an office, so I can argue that they need to pay me the same salary as rent for my office space.
Like, say I can work from home but I don’t have the space. Now I need a more expensive place with an extra room that I can dedicate for an office.
I don’t have the option of working from home, I’m just saying don’t let those fuckers hoodwink you in to less than you’re worth.
That office will be there in that building whether you are in it or not.
The only thing you’re saving is the power your computer would use and the miniscule amount of energy that it took to cool down your body heat and maybe an elevator if you go up at all by yourself
That’s absolutely valid but still isn’t an argument against being paid more to work from the office. If anything it shows you understand compensation for working from a specific location you’re just grandstanding for WFH.
No, I’m saying companies will say anything to justify paying you less. Don’t fall for it.
I’m saying you should be paid the same for the work you do whether you work from home or the office. If they’ll compensate you extra for travel, good, but without a union, good luck on that one.
I get what you’re saying now though, you’re speaking on less pay for the same work. If my boss offered me less pay for WFH I’d jump on it but my responsibilities would also be reduced and a number of other reasons it’s different for my current job.
Yeah I can see how that’s appealing, but it sets a precedent that will further enshittify the job market.
I understand that people have to do what’s best for them and their families and without a union making a stand like that would be damn near impossible. I’m just some guy on the internet but these are my thoughts on it.
They’re solid thoughts thanks for letting me pick your brain.
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