Fighting against “network effects” (I don’t know if this is the right term on English, sorry) for social tools is the hardest fight. The price to pay for the early adopters is just too high to be expected by anyone. I only managed to convince very few people around me.
This is not an individual problem but a collective, political one. Law has to make common standard mandatory. It has done it in the past, but modern capitalism/liberalism fail harder and harder, especially in new technology that emerged under it’s recent development.
Everybody takes for granted that your house power plugs are standardized and work with any electrical device sold in your country. But we could imagine a world with proprietary plugs for a “secure and coherent ecosystem for your home”. This would be bullshit and people understand. But for many modern digital standards, a major cultural fight has been lost…
I just feel like matrix will be easier than xmpp for hosts once dendrite is finished. Xmpp has so many extensions and everything else to manage, at least to me. Setting up xmpp was a bit more convoluted than matrix.
You should have tried Snikket or Ejabberd. Those come pretty much nicely pre-configured out of the box.
Prosody is intentionally modular for easy development of experimental exensions, which is why people like it as it usually is on the bleeding edge of what is possible with XMPP.
But Snikket is pretty much taking all that and putting it into an easy to administer package, so you can get the best of both worlds. Ejabberd is a bit more conservative, but it is a rock solid scalable platform for large deployments.
I am by no means an expert, but for the few people I use them with, they sometimes serve different purpose. I use more XMPP for everyday 1 to 1 messenging, and Matrix for group conversation of richer interactions.
Matrix or XMPP, whatever people prefer !
I wish i could make at least someone from my circles to switch to xmpp but nooooooooo
Maybe try suggesting Movim. the webapp works great on desktop and tablets, and the PWA can be used relatively nicely on Android.
I like Movim, and the interface is slick. But the web app breaks for me sometimes and it’s pretty frustrating.
Fighting against “network effects” (I don’t know if this is the right term on English, sorry) for social tools is the hardest fight. The price to pay for the early adopters is just too high to be expected by anyone. I only managed to convince very few people around me.
This is not an individual problem but a collective, political one. Law has to make common standard mandatory. It has done it in the past, but modern capitalism/liberalism fail harder and harder, especially in new technology that emerged under it’s recent development.
Everybody takes for granted that your house power plugs are standardized and work with any electrical device sold in your country. But we could imagine a world with proprietary plugs for a “secure and coherent ecosystem for your home”. This would be bullshit and people understand. But for many modern digital standards, a major cultural fight has been lost…
Yes, i get what are you speaking of when i think after how many years, EU has only proposed a common smarthpone charging port!
I just feel like matrix will be easier than xmpp for hosts once dendrite is finished. Xmpp has so many extensions and everything else to manage, at least to me. Setting up xmpp was a bit more convoluted than matrix.
You should have tried Snikket or Ejabberd. Those come pretty much nicely pre-configured out of the box.
Prosody is intentionally modular for easy development of experimental exensions, which is why people like it as it usually is on the bleeding edge of what is possible with XMPP.
But Snikket is pretty much taking all that and putting it into an easy to administer package, so you can get the best of both worlds. Ejabberd is a bit more conservative, but it is a rock solid scalable platform for large deployments.
I am by no means an expert, but for the few people I use them with, they sometimes serve different purpose. I use more XMPP for everyday 1 to 1 messenging, and Matrix for group conversation of richer interactions.