On more than one occasion they have said in the show. That holodecks can disintegrate all matter inside the holodeck. So I would think no cleaning necessary.
ok, given that statement, I’ll never get inside a holodeck.
and given how often they mess things up, I’m surprised they are even legal in the federation.
It’s even worse than they make it seem.
When this came up, they said an uncontrolled shutdown would reclaim all matter on the holodeck, and the computer was not letting them shut it down properly.
Just like what happens to all the food that isn’t eaten.
Doesn’t stuff get recycled in to the replicators? Including human (and non-human) waste?
Yep and depending on the complexity of the object they may just replicate the material. Like with food and water.
Lower decks starts off about this. the ensigns have to clean the bio scrubbers. They’re always full
Both this post and that one scene from Lower Decks forgets how holodecks work (no surprise from LD. It tries to insert humour at the expense of lore the whole bloody time…)
Anyway…
The holodeck, as established in the very first episode of TNG, is also a replicator. Throughout TNG, DS9, and VOY we see multiple instances that a replicator works both ways. Cleaning the dishes is a matter (hah) of putting it all back into the replicator and watching it get turned back into energy.
When you create a bar or a restaurant on the holodeck, all the food and drink there is real. You really eat and drink something, it has real flavour. Snow, water, mud, are all real too (Wesley Crusher got snow on Picard’s uniform one time when exiting the holodeck). But it all disappears instantly when you command the program to be ended.
No wonder, then, that certain experimental medical procedures were done on the holodeck in some episodes; it’s an incredibly sterile space. Everything that isn’t the people who entered the deck instantly gets turned into energy. For all the “holodeck gone wrong” episodes, none of them had a situation where a person accidentally gets vapourised. Damn thing is safer than a transporter.
Anyway; yes, very funny. But no, that’s not how holodecks work. Nobody needs to clean your cum off the walls.
When you create a bar or a restaurant on the holodeck, all the food and drink there is real.
Idk where you even got this idea but here, from DS9, which would seem to contradict that.
S3e8 “Meridian”
The emphasis of this scene is that the food is for free. Not that the holodeck can’t replicate food.
However, there are other issues here. Firstly, it’s not a federation holodeck. Secondly, for some reason they’re not called holodecks either, but holosuites. This isn’t a direct comparison.
Yeah it’s called a suite because it’s not a deck of any sort on a ship.
I’m still going to ask where you’re getting “all the food is real” from?
Nor do I think them necessarily not being federation holotech, which I also don’t know where you’re getting that, but since DS9 was under Cardassian rule and whatnot it’s not entirely unbelievable.
I’m still going to ask where you’re getting “all the food is real” from?
First episode of TNG describes the holodeck replicating things for authenticity, specifically when Riker got his suit wet for real with water from the holodeck.
There have been multiple instances of this after the very first episode too.
I provided you with an actual photograph with a quote that’s clearly showing that holographic food isn’t real, as otherwise Quark wouldn’t need to offer the person real food.
You’re just saying “trust me bro, it’s definitely real food”
Sure, TNG has like water leaving the holodeck as wet people can walk out. But Voyager contradicts those notions.
Tldr;
I just don’t see a way this could work.
Like I’ve said, the holo-tech is just beyond inconsistent and should not be anyones idea of “hard” scifi. The explanations contradict each other from one episode to the next and especially from one show to the next. It’s soft scifi and I’m completely fine with that. Are you?
I provided you with an actual photograph with a quote that’s clearly showing that holographic food isn’t real,
No you didn’t. You showed a photograph of Quark complaining about giving away free stuff. Other sources from Star Trek episodes themselves have verbally explained the holodeck replicates.
Go watch Encounter at Farpoint again.
Yeah true screenshot not a photo.
Anyway, it’s very clearly stated in it that it’s real food that he’s providing, with a strong implication that otherwise it’d be holographic.
But I think most of what you have is pure conjecture.
You know, because the holodecks are about as scientific as the TARDIS.
Which you just refuse to admit, despite the various contradictions one can just rattle a list of.
If all holodeck food was real edible food, Voyager could’ve used it to stock up on food. As it is, it was coveted with “holodecks have their own power sources” or smth iirc and no-one went in there to nourish their bodies, just souls.
Like how could people in a limited size room actually be further away from each other than they actually are? Not to mention a whole ship full of people running around in a single town.
Let’s face it the holodeck isn’t exactly hard science, has too many logical holes in it from the start.
It’s just a fantasy machine and I’m fine with that.
An independent power system doesn’t mean the holodeck doesn’t still use power. It wasn’t until much later in the series that Jeanway started considering a more regular use for the holodeck as a common recreational area. Before that everything had to be rationed quite strictly. So… No… Not they couldn’t just replace replicator rations with replicated holodeck food because the same problem exists with both.
In short; the holodeck doesn’t “magic” its own power into existence.
Thw holodeck room can easily accommodate a whole lot of people. It’s pretty large. Perhaps not the entire ship’s crew, but I can’t remember an episode where literally EVERYONE on the ship was stuck on the holodeck. If you consider that it’s not actually necessary for attendants to physically move around (they can walk in-place) you are only really left with the creation of the illusion and the logistics it have tightly localised illusions happening around each individual.
It would’ve been an interesting problem to explore in an episode; the performance of the illusion with the holodeck full of people vs the holodeck having to just accomodate two or three individuals. It’s just one of those things that Star Trek never did, and considering the types of stories NuTrek prefers to tell, never will.
In short; the holodeck doesn’t “magic” its own power into existence.
Yes, I’m aware. But even when they were running on strictly least power, they kept the holodecks up for entertainment. So yeah, some things about it won’t ever make sense.
I just watched voyager a while ago I should be able to remember it better damn.
But anyway, even just having a large tenniscourt. Larger than the holodeck is. Let’s say 16 tennis fields each with human players, and then the whole stages filled with people. How is none of that coming against the limitations of a small room? See what i mean. If everyone stands in one corner. Then how do you emit a town that should be just a display on the walls, but everyone can start traveling in opposite directions if they so choose.
That’s because a holodeck isn’t merely a projection on the walls. It’s been described a few times as a complex array of volumetric displays, forcefields, and replicated materials that shift around the individuals participating in the holodeck.
Basically, the way it’s described, the illusion shouldn’t work from your perspective as viewers/audience.
Thats like saying “it works because of magic”
No amount of any technology would be able to make people think they’re in a vast desert with others several kilometers away when theyre actually standing within arms reach.
But the technobabble handwaving works for me.
There’s just absolutely zero point in pretending the holodecks are “hard scifi”
I mean… If you’re wearing a VR headset and move via treadmill… Then you’re pretty much halfway towards what holodeck does already. So now imagine it’s a few centuries into the future.
pretty much halfway towards what holodeck does already.
Yeah, a bad copy that’s not affecting all of your senses as has lots of limitations?
VR is fun but it’s nowhere near fooling the senses properly. Proprioception, acceleration.
You refuse to answer questions which I say can’t be answered while still not agreeing with me that it’s goddamn ludicrous to even suggest the holotech has anything to do with hard scifi.
It’s a pure fantasy machine only limited by the writer’s imagination, nothing else.
You’d think that the holodeck, of all places, would be something that could be cleaned by a dedicated holographic synthetic serviceman.
Holojanitor: “What is my purpose?”
Have you seen Voyager? You should. Later on it does have a subplot around this.
The Doctor’s my favourite character from that show, but I think the episode you’re probably referring to (Author, Author) went a little too on the nose with its allegory when it had a bunch of holographic doctors literally swinging pickaxes in a mineshaft inside an asteroid. The technological contrast was too jarring for me.
tuvox having sex with his holographic wife to subside pon’far
That’s also the answer his holographic women give when they’re asked what program is running
This is wonderful
I would reverse the polarity on those bio-filters as a practical joke, and potentially for a Tuvix-level moral need of exterminating the monstrosity the sick bay refuses to terminate.
Hmm I wonder if one could get pregnant on the holodeck. And could you then just pause it and continue another day? And would the computer read and write biological or holographic information?
How would that work?
Half of the DNA a hologram (on an atomic-precise/indistinguishable scale?), half regular Riker DNA?
I guess the pause could work if all other stuff of this poor sob would have been holographic too (except for some DNA degradation/need for shielding while paused).
Also could the pregnant Riker still do his little chair manoeuvre?
lol … I’d create a program where it made the empty unused holodeck look like it was filled with all sorts of strange fluids and liquids that need to be cleaned.
Got a UV light to try to see if my cat peed somewhere he shouldn’t and that’s what inspired the image.
Not sure if its clear it’s supposed to be black light. I tried.
do you think we’re not well-versed in checking for dried bodily fluids
😘
Ah, those are urine stains all over the holodeck.
That… I’m not going to say that’s better, actually.
The UV light shows any organic fluids.
Food. Urine. Semen. Sneezes.
Computer, run Jizz Squeegee Typhoon Rinse Laforge Omega Seven. Disengage safety interlocks.
You know, it’s implied there’s sex in the holodeck, at least in the shows. Haven’t read the books to have a clue about that. But, if trek were real, I sometimes wonder how the policy of that would have developed.
aat the very least, couples going to romantic locations to get it on… the solo masterbation potential for moral boosters and you know that they be trading programs with each other like dirty vhs
There would have to be some kind of underground trade in spank bank programs lol. No matter how utopian you want to get, humans at least are sexual beings, and I don’t see that not being expressed in holo when there’s already full on pirate scenarios lol
Holosuites were explicitly a thing
People probably have sex in the Jeffries tubes as well. Geordi’s probably used to crawling around and finding a wet spot.
Oh yeah, Klingon daddy, do me in the Jeffries tube! Do me hard.
But yeah, you know horny ensigns looking for a hidden spot would wedge themselves in there
Infinity glory hole
