A tankie is someone who supports authoritarian communism (I believe the term originated from using tanks to suppress protests)
Here’s a post showing that the main instance of Lemmy (hosted by the main 2 Lemmy devs) removes any negative posts about the Chinese or Russian governments for “orientalism”: https://lemmy.pineapplemachine.com/post/5784
Nothing wrong per se with communism itself, it just tends to be extremely unstable and quickly turns to authoritarianism, I don’t think it’s ever worked for any nation in history so far.
The defending of Uyghur genocides, and the defending of the CCP and Russian government is really concerning though. Good thing this platform is federated.
libretro has a similar problem, it’s developed by a team of transphobic, homophobic, racist Russian apologists who border on Nazism. I don’t know what attracts these people to FOSS development.
the modern russian state is not the soviet union, it is who america put in charge after creating a situation that led to millions of deaths.
The fact that you can believe this narrative literally spawned by the people who currently control and siphon away 50% or more of Russia’s entire GDP into foreign bank accounts under the whip of Vladimir “East German KGB-operative” Putin is pretty astounding.
You’re right, the modern russian state isn’t, the soviet union, but the soviet union didn’t like gays either so idk what the fuck You’re talking about. Id love to see you defend the millions of deaths caused by stalin and lennin (plus the massive famine) and/or explain how thats capitalisms fault 🤣
Loll the communists are your only allies? Russia is literally trying to exterminate gay people, so can you please step kindly to the left and fuck yourself?
“Let us take by way if example a cotton spinning mill. The cotton must pass through at least six successive operations before it is reduced to the state of thread, and these operations take place for the most part in different rooms. Furthermore, keeping the machines going requires an engineer to look after the steam engine, mechanics to make the current repairs, and many other labourers whose business it is to transfer the products from one room to another, and so forth. All these workers, men, women and children, are obliged to begin and finish their work at the hours fixed by the authority of the steam, which cares nothing for individual autonomy. The workers must, therefore, first come to an understanding on the hours of work; and these hours, once they are fixed, must be observed by all, without any exception. Thereafter particular questions arise in each room and at every moment concerning the mode of production, distribution of material, etc., which must be settled by decision of a delegate placed at the head of each branch of labour or, if possible, by a majority vote, the will of the single individual will always have to subordinate itself, which means that questions are settled in an authoritarian way.”
This is the dumbest take i ever read. You can literally choose not to work at that factory. Did you really read this book? Or are you just defaulting to a NPC response? If you really read the book you would understand how dumb it is to recommend it to people who are against authoritarianism.
“You criticize society, yet you participate in it? Curious…”
Judging by your username, I’m going to guess you’re a communist. Will you continue to participate in this forum using a computing device that was produced by a capitalist economic system? If you demand this level of ideological purity, it seems rather hypocritical.
You are completely ignorant in how the real world works.
Labour costs are artificially kept low in the global south due to imperialism. The US’ dollar hegemony helps them artificially depreciate Global South currencies, in which you, a Westerner benefits immensely from.
Low wages doesn’t signify anything about the mode of production. Truthfully, wage labour existed even prior to capitalism.
You don’t even know what you are talking about but you, in typical orientalist and racist fashion, thinks you know anything about a civilisation that has lasted 4000 years.
What is fact is that China has had the highest wage growth for the past few decades, which taking into account its 1.3billion population, means it has have helped uplift more people out of poverty than the entire population of the West.
Calling China “state capitalist” is an insult to all the people that were colonized by the Europeans, where ACTUAL capitalism destroyed, pillaged and genocided entire civilisations for the benefit of Capital, which is still happening btw.
Xiaomi sure as hell isn’t a “workers’ cooperative” - it’s literally a public stock company traded on the Hong Kong Stock Exchange for crying out loud! And I don’t think anyone would doubt the fact Xiaomi’s engineers are paid well, well at least the ones that actually work for it and aren’t the employees of affiliate-startups that are part of the Mijia-ecosystem, but Xiaomi like everyone else, even Fairphone, uses the unethically-treated and underpaid Chinese factory-worker labour-pool exactly like everyone else - as disposible cogs in a well-oiled tat-producing machine.
It seems like communists spend alot of time trying to convince people that north korea/ china / russia is not communist. Chinas ONLY political party is literally called the CHINESE COMMUNIST PARTY. If none of these very obvious communist countries arent actually communist, what country is? And if there are none, then frankly your political ideology is moot since it has never succeeded.
Well I wouldn’t exactly use the name of a political party as evidence for whether or not they actually follow that ideology… There are plenty of examples for the fact that the name is not the deciding factor but what they actually do. And, considering the definition of communism, it is kinda weird to consider China communist just because that’s the name the leading party gave themselves.
I just think that “Authoritarian Regime” or similar isn’t something a party would call itself.
Made *in china using american made schematics. China hasn’t had a single original idea since it stole the land fron taiwan. Literally every chinese technological breakthrough of the past 70 years has been stolen from a western power.
? The developers of Lemmy are tankies, it’s important to make sure that tankies know they aren’t welcome here.
Gotta ask for both a source and your definition of a “tankie”.
You keep using that word, I don’t think it means what you think it means.
A tankie is someone who supports authoritarian communism (I believe the term originated from using tanks to suppress protests)
Here’s a post showing that the main instance of Lemmy (hosted by the main 2 Lemmy devs) removes any negative posts about the Chinese or Russian governments for “orientalism”: https://lemmy.pineapplemachine.com/post/5784
In the comments of that post, you can find one of the devs borderline defending what China is doing to the Uyghurs: https://lemmy.pineapplemachine.com/comment/5950
That same dev has a github repo called “essays on communism”: https://github.com/dessalines/essays
I’m pretty sure both of the devs’ profile pictures are Fidel Castro too
Aight fair enough, that’s pretty concerning.
Nothing wrong per se with communism itself, it just tends to be extremely unstable and quickly turns to authoritarianism, I don’t think it’s ever worked for any nation in history so far.
The defending of Uyghur genocides, and the defending of the CCP and Russian government is really concerning though. Good thing this platform is federated.
libretro has a similar problem, it’s developed by a team of transphobic, homophobic, racist Russian apologists who border on Nazism. I don’t know what attracts these people to FOSS development.
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The fact that you can believe this narrative literally spawned by the people who currently control and siphon away 50% or more of Russia’s entire GDP into foreign bank accounts under the whip of Vladimir “East German KGB-operative” Putin is pretty astounding.
You’re right, the modern russian state isn’t, the soviet union, but the soviet union didn’t like gays either so idk what the fuck You’re talking about. Id love to see you defend the millions of deaths caused by stalin and lennin (plus the massive famine) and/or explain how thats capitalisms fault 🤣
Loll the communists are your only allies? Russia is literally trying to exterminate gay people, so can you please step kindly to the left and fuck yourself?
Hey, just fyi, there are different branches of communism. The most popular ones vehemently oppose Russia, China, and North Korea.
u/CommunistLady is part of the delusional few who are pro-China, but please don’t attack communists as a whole because of the loud idiots.
Your outrage is completely misguided.
Say Russia was trying to “exterminate gay people”: it is a capitalist country.
You can’t present the deeds of capitalists as evidence of communist wrongdoing.
…it would great if the tankies could understand that fact to be case in any other context when discussing Russia, but they don’t, so we won’t.
Not a fan of that logic
Show me a good communist country and ill show you a liar.
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Youre definitely a 4chan plant lol
10$ says this stupid bitch lives in san francisco or something lol
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Fuck authoritarian commies. Better?
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This is the dumbest take i ever read. You can literally choose not to work at that factory. Did you really read this book? Or are you just defaulting to a NPC response? If you really read the book you would understand how dumb it is to recommend it to people who are against authoritarianism.
Damn, so living in a society implies that sometimes you don’t get what you want? And therefore authoritarianism is obligatory?
That’s so ridiculously stupid lmao. It’s like a child’s understanding of life “I don’t get what I want so this is tyranny”.
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“You criticize society, yet you participate in it? Curious…”
Judging by your username, I’m going to guess you’re a communist. Will you continue to participate in this forum using a computing device that was produced by a capitalist economic system? If you demand this level of ideological purity, it seems rather hypocritical.
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China is state capitalist, as evidenced by the fact that the phone you bought was manufactured there via cheap labor.
You are completely ignorant in how the real world works.
Labour costs are artificially kept low in the global south due to imperialism. The US’ dollar hegemony helps them artificially depreciate Global South currencies, in which you, a Westerner benefits immensely from.
Low wages doesn’t signify anything about the mode of production. Truthfully, wage labour existed even prior to capitalism.
You don’t even know what you are talking about but you, in typical orientalist and racist fashion, thinks you know anything about a civilisation that has lasted 4000 years.
What is fact is that China has had the highest wage growth for the past few decades, which taking into account its 1.3billion population, means it has have helped uplift more people out of poverty than the entire population of the West.
Calling China “state capitalist” is an insult to all the people that were colonized by the Europeans, where ACTUAL capitalism destroyed, pillaged and genocided entire civilisations for the benefit of Capital, which is still happening btw.
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You’re delusional.
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Average wage of a factory worker in china is $3.77 usd per hour. Please go to china and let me know how well they treat you lol
Xiaomi sure as hell isn’t a “workers’ cooperative” - it’s literally a public stock company traded on the Hong Kong Stock Exchange for crying out loud! And I don’t think anyone would doubt the fact Xiaomi’s engineers are paid well, well at least the ones that actually work for it and aren’t the employees of affiliate-startups that are part of the Mijia-ecosystem, but Xiaomi like everyone else, even Fairphone, uses the unethically-treated and underpaid Chinese factory-worker labour-pool exactly like everyone else - as disposible cogs in a well-oiled tat-producing machine.
Lololololol
It seems like communists spend alot of time trying to convince people that north korea/ china / russia is not communist. Chinas ONLY political party is literally called the CHINESE COMMUNIST PARTY. If none of these very obvious communist countries arent actually communist, what country is? And if there are none, then frankly your political ideology is moot since it has never succeeded.
Well I wouldn’t exactly use the name of a political party as evidence for whether or not they actually follow that ideology… There are plenty of examples for the fact that the name is not the deciding factor but what they actually do. And, considering the definition of communism, it is kinda weird to consider China communist just because that’s the name the leading party gave themselves.
I just think that “Authoritarian Regime” or similar isn’t something a party would call itself.
Made *in china using american made schematics. China hasn’t had a single original idea since it stole the land fron taiwan. Literally every chinese technological breakthrough of the past 70 years has been stolen from a western power.
Idk what kind of nazi echochaimber youre used to but this one isnt it
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Youre definitely not a 4chan psyop /s