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This is a thread specifically for the war, not a general megathread (use the pinned /c/genzedong thread for that).
Please keep related news in this thread rather than making separate posts. Remember to include sources and avoid spreading rumours.
ANALYSIS OF ONE OF THE BASIRA PRESS ADMINS
🇨🇳 🇮🇷 🇺🇸 President Pezeshkian uses China as an example to justify negotiations with the US
Let’s engage in a constructive analysis of this viewpoint.
China has atomic weapons, including hydrogen bombs which would wipe out most of North America
Unlike the Iranian liberal presidents (Rafsanjani, Khatami, Rouhani) who seek to keep Iran’s economy weak and dependent on imports from the west (similar to the Lebanon model which has nearly zero domestic production), China has a robust domestic production economy and pioneers in knowledge based industries such as the development of advanced products, technologies, and more. They even develop their own technological infrastructure, such as computer chips, phones, and alternative operating systems (such as Harmony OS for Huawei). China is a global manufacturing hub and exports large amounts of consumer goods, which are no longer stereotyped as cheap quality but now includes high quality goods like cars (affordable price but luxury quality), phones, heavy machinery, etc. Neoliberal Iranian oligarchs have sought the opposite route for Iran via placing all of Iran’s hopes on the west removing sanctions and allowing Iran to import goods which would tank Iranian domestic production and increase its dependency on foreign countries.
China jails and even executes corrupt officials. When Martyr Raisi found in a court of law that former president Hassan Rouhani’s brother was guilty of embezzlement, the former president threatened to cause trouble if his brother went to jail, obstructing justice in order to protect his brother instead of preferring justice over family ties.
China doesn’t glamorize nor import western liberal values, unlike the liberal oligarchs of Iran. The US is not portrayed romantically. “Sissy boy” culture, which is popular in US vassal states like Japan and South Korea, is banned on Chinese television. Their relations with the US are based on utility, not an inferiority complex before the US.
China uses its leverage of rare minerals to stifle the US tech market which needs them for computer hardware, while Iranian liberals are happy to sell away the leverage of the Strait of Hormuz because they have a soft spot in their heart for the US.
Despite this, China’s dealings with the US routinely blow up in their faces. The US constantly harms China with trade wars, arresting of the Huawei CEO, banning Chinese cars and phones from the US, unleashing the Corona virus in Wuhan through Dr. Fauci, and more.
The US hasn’t slaughtered Chinese in large amounts, unlike Iran, where they martyred our Leader and slaughtered countless civilians. Who would want to shake the hand of the Epstein regime?
The US violated every agreement with Iran, no matter who was president. Simple common sense suggests that negotiations, especially in an active war, with the US don’t amount to anything. China is not in active war with the US. Even then, they’re not really “negotiating” in terms of reaching a deal in which they capitulate to their adversary.
Islam clearly demands that we reject (do ‘kufr’) of taghut. China is not a Muslim country. This is a spiritual matter and the way of all the prophets of God. If China wants to have dealings with the dirtiest people on earth, that is their business. China also sells drones to Saudi Arabia which are used to kill Yemenis. Muslims are supposed to maintain their principles no matter the situation. This doesn’t mean being isolationist nor impractical, but no amount of pragmatism should cause us to sell out our values.
Besides, Iranian liberals usually are cursing China in order to show to their beloved west that they are pinning all their hopes on the west and will even forego relations with decent allies and partners such as Russia, China, African countries, and other regional powers in hopes of an eventual US-Iran bromance. They finally speak well of China only to justify the naivety of regurgitating ad nauseum the slogan of “negotiations.”
OK then: follow the good aspects of Chinese policies and make a strong Iran.
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brief opinion
They touch on many valid points but as usual with many resistance channels, they unfortunately also have a bunch of weird esoteric drivel added in. I posted it because it was largely correct on its critique of Iranian liberals.
Just want to add a bit of notes on the Chinese diplomatic perspective with regards to the US. The way the Chinese leadership sees it, in the Korean War the US has shown its true colours, and all dealings with the US can refer back to that period of history to understand and predict the actions of the US, primarily in these few points:
The US respects only military power, and can only be forced into concessions on the negotiating table when they have not only faced the prospect of, but have experienced real losses. All of their words about ideals and international agreement is lip service, to dress up the fact that they use their vassal states like a cudgel to enforce their will and minimize losses to American lives.
The US will always wiggle and cheat on agreements they have made on the negotiating table, including with intimidation during negotiations such as flying fighter jets above the site of negotiations, white-glove actors to mask their involvement in agreement-breaking actions, and outright not talking about existing agreements as they push for acts of aggression. The only way to force them to acquesite to what they have agreed themselve is with force, either militarily, or economically.
The cyclical nature of the US’s two party system means that the newly elected head of state will always think of their predecessors as not doing enough to enforce the US’s interests abroad, and will attempt the same ways of wiggling and cheating on agreements, sometimes with new fronts of masked aggression, typically starting with a liberal “international concern” project lead by a front group of the CIA, all over again. maintainance of forceful resistance against them is not only necessary, but constant.
The US does not feel confortable when it doesn’t think it is the sole actor capable of complete domination in every region in the world, and they feel even less confortable when who they consider to be their enemy demonstrates capacity to inflict losses on them when they act to dominate. Therefore, US aggression, just like US infiltration and subversion always point to the same goal: submission by the local state into the system under US control, and they are not shy about switching over to using comprador and proxy powers to rule for them when direct confrontation would prove costly. The real way to deal with them is to resist against both ends. In this sense, I consider the general faction of Iranian liberals to be a comprador sector which the US considers to be useful in subversion.
Edit: spacing
This is pure dogshit written by a reactionary. Our domestic production skyrocketed under Rouhani, and a lot of the people importing Chinese cars and destroying our economy are all buddy-buddy with the muh wholesome Beyte Rahbari. Especially Raisi’s disaster of a presidency.
بیا برو کسشعر تفت نده حاجی حوصله نداریم اقتصاد تخمی زمان رئیسی هم دیدیم.
A lot of current IKCO products for example happened because of Rouhani’s deal to allow technology transfer with the world.
I hate logging in here and watching mirror-world drivel that doesn’t match literally my IRL life in Iran.
The added homophobia and “muh kofr” are just cherry on top.
I’m unsure what brainworms this is, maybe transphobia? Very odd to include on their part.
They’re just being homophobic. In my daily traversal of these channels I’ve learned to translate dogwhistles from them a lot better. This is a very annoying skillset to have.
It’s also a callback to something Xi said ages ago, but might have been mistranslated or taken out of context.