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This feels like bad design
Smart pet-feeder company Petlibro suffered an outage on Tuesday, giving users a harsh reminder of the risks of relying on smart devices.
Petlibro makes pet feeders that connect to Wi-Fi and, for setup with Petlibro’s mobile companion app, Bluetooth. Users can set the feeders to automatically dispense food at scheduled times, which is handy for pet care when the owner is out of the home.
In a statement to The Verge, Petlibro CEO York Wu said this week’s outage was “related to how the Petlibro app communicates with devices through its online servers.”
Some user reports have also conflicted with Petlibro’s claims about offline functionality. As The Verge pointed out, various users online claimed that during the outage, their devices did not perform any scheduled feedings, performed some feedings but not others, or performed feedings late (examples here, here, here, here, and here).
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It needs wifi???
Your feeding schedule writes a cron job on their server, which then runs and commands your feeder to operate. Standard pattern.
/jk (I hope)
wtf why is it requiring wifi for a mechanism that should simply just rely on electricity if nothing else?
This is reminding me of the copypasta where the it admin keeps a gun next to the printer.
Also my automatic pet feeder is dumb and only runs on electric
I have a Petlibro, but one of the old ones that has no cloud connection and no app. You just program it on the feeders interface itself. From a mechanical standpoint they are pretty awesome and feeding the proper amount of food is so much easier than doing it manually.
Yeah, now imagine how much better (/s) that would be if “the cloud” was looped in to the timer so that any network outage or server outage or successful hack or DoS attack caused your feeder to malf.
It is bad design. The entire system control could be on a microcontroller inside the machine itself. There’s no reason to route data through a cloud server just for basic functionality (other than greedy data farming, of course).
That’s a single point of failure, and not even very reliable, for something that provides a basic necessity to a living being.
That being said, any pet owner who relies on an automated feeder and doesn’t check it regularly to make sure it’s working properly, is neglecting their pets. They share a portion of the responsibility here.
Still, I wish products marketed for pets were regulated better to ensure safety.
They save money by offloading the processing to your phone.
Then the process should happen on the phone locally and not by connecting to their servers which run the processes and then send commands back to the device through your phone…
I ain’t arguing it’s a good setup. Somewhere there’s a spreadsheet showing how many dead pets they can get away with before their cost-saving strategy goes into the red.
These smart gadgets could be good but they are so terrible. I bought a discount smart LED bulb. I was like let’s try it out, it can’t be that bad. Then I realized why was it discounted:
The lightbulb does not work without being connected to the internet, it just flashes in the most annoying way.
Nowhere on its box it was written, hey you have to connect this lightbulb 24/7 to the internet. Just some nice things, like you can dim it and change the colors. Not to mention these shady apps selling your data, asking access for your contacts, pictures and files.
They far overdid the opportunistic predation in many ways.
I can easily imagine a nightmare, where everything people own, get locked down this way. The world is going into that direction.
If you want actually pretty good smart home stuff, and for cheap, go to IKEA. By default they require nothing but being paired to a button/dial/motion sensor that works entirely on a local mesh network (Zigbee, or more recently Matter over Thread) between the devices. You can buy a hub, which again by default is local only - to control the lights using your phone you need to be connected to your own wifi. And if you really want to control them from somewhere else (or use Siri/Google Assistant etc), you have to specifically enable that functionality.
And because they use matter, they work with most of the other matter stuff, and vice versa - I have a bunch of Aqara temp/humidity sensors connected to mine. And you don’t even need an IKEA hub, any Matter hub will work, and there are quite a few of them including stuff like the Google Home Speaker, a 3rd gen Apple TV, and the Apple Home Pod.
Main downside? IKEA electronics aren’t exactly the most reliable things around.
Its cheaper.
They can design the device to be standalone, with increased hardware costs…or farm that processing to their servers, with the bonus of also giving them the ability to kill it on command so you just have to buy a new one and having lots of metric data to sell
I guarantee you the microcontroller that handles the wifi is 10x more powerful than what would be required to just run an offline schedule.
There’s no processing involved… It’s not like this is using a camera + AI to see if your cat is too fat.Edit: I just looked up this model and its actual features… it’s not that far off, since it seems to run image recognition to tell when the cat is eating. If they’re streaming video back to the cloud for processing, that sounds even worse than what I was expecting. It would be entirely possible to run a small image recognition model locally in a product like this.
There are much simpler solutions like the ones that detect a chip in the pets collar (or the embedded id chip most pets have)
Sounds like a dumb way to feed your pet that the device can’t work without the cloud. Nothing new but still you have to be real stupid to buy a device that will one day be cut off when the company abandons support.
Ah yes, the classic “the stupid consumers are stupid” argument.
This was sold as being an offline-capable device. It even has battery slots for power outages.
Perhaps instead of shitting on people for buying something they thought would be nice and work well, we shit on the company that can’t even give a pet feeder an on-device offline schedule after selling people on a device that’s supposed to work offline and even during power outages.
And figure out how we can hack it and enable folks to control the hardware they own, because they weren’t stupid for buying a pet feeder. The company that runs it just does so in a moronic way.
(I don’t own one of these, but I have considered it a few times, and this just pisses me off)
So is it poor design or cases where users didn’t put batteries in?
Any cloud connected device that stops functioning when there is a outage is stupid. Its stupid to buy one.
What about a device that can function offline?
Yes. That is what I’m saying.
But that’s what they bought. That’s what was advertised and sold to them.
It was just false advertising.
I’ve bought two cloud connected devices that promised manual control. Only one did. It was the first thing I did was verify it was true by never using the cloud part of it.
Why can’t these schedules be held locally in the device memory.
They totally can. We used to have a super low tech one. It was like an old cookie timer. You crank a wheel over to the number of hours you wanted (so it only worked over a day or so)and a spring inside just turned the crank back until a little hole lined up with a notch allowing the door to open. There were two bins inside one device, so two feedings. No batteries. No Internet.
But then they cant turn off the servers in 18 months, forcing you to buy a new one?!
The answer is lazy design. It was cheaper and easier to make it a dumb device that gets all direction from a server. Less complexity and more control on their end. Also, subscription.
Monthly recurring revenue perhaps? I can’t be bothered to find out of this is a subscription but I bet it is.
There is a subscription service, but it’s not required. I don’t have it, but my pet got fed during the outage so maybe there’s a different line of devices that don’t work without the subscription…
automatically dispense food
Okay
use an app to set it up
Makes sense
cloud outage caused missed feedings
wtf? Doesn’t the thing have an internal clock? Doesn’t it just set a cron job? Seriously, if you want to farm data all day long, do that and just send it back. But if having to be online to do its core function is required, that’s extremely poor design.
An app is always a red flag, especially if it’s the only way you can interact with the device.
They can’t charge a subscription for an internal clock
Or push ads, or gather data on users.
The level of sophistication of our pet feeder at home is a fistful of kibble pulled out of a bag and dropped in a bowl. If we’re away, we have a good neighbour who drops in to check on the cat, or the cat stays with my family. I’m an IT professional, and prefer my house to be as dumb as possible.
Of course I will post a picture of my cat when mentioning him. His name is Nemo.
May be an orange, but you sure have a smart system to alert you if the kibble is late.
Nemo appears to be starving. You should ensure nemo is given many treats to fix this problem.
His hunger is insatiable, as evidenced by his annoyed moaning whenever he glimpses the bottom of his food bowl. His foster home had turned him into a mega-chonk, but I got him in the right track. Now he’s part killing-machine, part cuddle-machine.
I bet Nemo loves to sit on your keyboard when you’re trying to type.
He’ll lie down between my arms and rest his head on my lower arm while my hands are on the keyboard. Good touch typing practice, as I can’t see the keys.
I can’t dispense 2 upvotes (one for the comment one for the cat pic) so just get this comment
Nemo is such a beauty, he looks very soft and cuddly.
Thank you. He’s indeed soft and cuddly, though also drooly and clawy. We love him.
Hmm… Maybe they should make people feeders.
When I bought my house there were a bunch of smart gadgets - lightbulbs, thermostat, fridge - and after a couple of months I’d gradually disabled all the smart features because they were causing more problems than they were fixing. The cold December day when we didn’t have any heating because a fucking server was down was the worst.
Stupid
To everyone criticizing the people who bought the device: It is sold as being capable of running without internet, and it often does. The problem is that some update along the way broke this functionality ( maybe on purpose ).
The device has 3 D batteries to survive even power outages.
I’m not defending the company, I absolute despise them, they lied to consumers and should suffer a class action lawsuit.
There won’t be an outage next time. Next time just pay for the all new subscription, 99.99% uptime!
/s
I fucking hate the current state of technology.
Happy user of petlibro here and I’m very happy that when I bought it, I went explicitly for the non wifi - non cloud connected version.
