Oh shut up, ecars cause less environmental damage than normal cars by far. Yes they require lithium. The lithium required doesn’t get close to the damage of 300k miles worth of gas.
“but power plants burn coal for that electricity”
Not mine. I live in portland and have signed up for 100% renewable power. That’s a your-city problem. You should work on that.
Individually owned automobiles and the systems required to support them are wasteful and polluting no matter how you power them.
Electric cars are better, yes. But their popularity is in a large part because they allow us to mostly maintain the status quo.
Do you think they are a sustainable long-term solution? Should we be planning our future around paved roads made almost exclusively for personally owned mostly single-occupant vehicles?
@corm@1993_toyota_camry Sort of? All cars ruin our lives. But gas cars also ruin the planet, where electric are substially better now and will be almost carbon free in 30 years or so. Getting rid of cars in general is very desirable, but getting rid of gas cars is an existential necessity.
There are many studies that show that replacing all gas cars with electric cars won’t come close to reduction of carbon emissions needed on transportaion fields.
Morever they have all the problems that cars have:
weight inefficent: 1 or 2 tons to move 1 80 kg person
space inefficent: to move one person you need one parking spot at home, one at the job, one at the grocery store…
dangerous: car crashes are the main cause of death among younger ages. Electric cars are heavier, so they are more dangerous.
huge infrastructure needed: to move cars you need highways, which are many times less efficient from a area point if view that any other mide of transportation.
expensive infrastructure to build and mantain. Riad manteunance drll the worst kind of holes in public funding. Electric cars weight more, making this issue worse
Car oriented development is ugly and inefficent. You can’t have both a nice neighborhood and enough car parking space,
I’m commenting on your first sentence, not the bullet points.
Electric cars are better for the environment, no doubt about that, even if the electricity is produced by fossil fuel, because the production is done in a controlled environment instead of happening in thousands of cars, which can only utilise a fraction of the energy and outputs the exhaustion directly in the air.
I’m not saying EVs solve the car dependency problems at all, but they are better for the environment than combustion engine cars.
Well but my first sentence does not contradict yours. I know that, from a carbon emissions point of view EV are better than ICE vehicles, by far. What I stated is that even if they are better, replacing all ICE cars with EV is not sufficient to have a reduction in carbon emision as needed for the environment. And there are studies that say so
Not to mention that the only reason electric cars seem somewhat sustainable, is that at the moment only the most wealthy people (globally) can afford to own a car. Just imagine what it would look like if the global middle class also got access to cars, electric or otherwise.
Electric cars help pollution like filtered cigarettes help smoker health. It’s a tangible improvement, but on the grand scale of things it’s not a significant improvement.
Oh shut up, ecars cause less environmental damage than normal cars by far. Yes they require lithium. The lithium required doesn’t get close to the damage of 300k miles worth of gas.
“but power plants burn coal for that electricity”
Not mine. I live in portland and have signed up for 100% renewable power. That’s a your-city problem. You should work on that.
I think you’re arguing points that weren’t made.
Individually owned automobiles and the systems required to support them are wasteful and polluting no matter how you power them.
Electric cars are better, yes. But their popularity is in a large part because they allow us to mostly maintain the status quo.
Do you think they are a sustainable long-term solution? Should we be planning our future around paved roads made almost exclusively for personally owned mostly single-occupant vehicles?
It’s two months later and I’ve done a 180 on this opinion and went from “fuck gas cars” to “fuck all cars”.
The car infrastructure is the shitty part, not so much the cars
@corm @1993_toyota_camry Sort of? All cars ruin our lives. But gas cars also ruin the planet, where electric are substially better now and will be almost carbon free in 30 years or so. Getting rid of cars in general is very desirable, but getting rid of gas cars is an existential necessity.
There are many studies that show that replacing all gas cars with electric cars won’t come close to reduction of carbon emissions needed on transportaion fields.
Morever they have all the problems that cars have:
Forse sure I’m forgetting quite a lot of things
I’m commenting on your first sentence, not the bullet points.
Electric cars are better for the environment, no doubt about that, even if the electricity is produced by fossil fuel, because the production is done in a controlled environment instead of happening in thousands of cars, which can only utilise a fraction of the energy and outputs the exhaustion directly in the air.
I’m not saying EVs solve the car dependency problems at all, but they are better for the environment than combustion engine cars.
Well but my first sentence does not contradict yours. I know that, from a carbon emissions point of view EV are better than ICE vehicles, by far. What I stated is that even if they are better, replacing all ICE cars with EV is not sufficient to have a reduction in carbon emision as needed for the environment. And there are studies that say so
No, obviously not. I’ve never heard anyone seriously claim that electric cars alone could save the environment.
Transport as a whole only accounts for something like 20% of carbon emissions and only 40% of that is from cars, making it 8% total.
Not to mention that the only reason electric cars seem somewhat sustainable, is that at the moment only the most wealthy people (globally) can afford to own a car. Just imagine what it would look like if the global middle class also got access to cars, electric or otherwise.
https://www.epa.gov/greenvehicles/electric-vehicle-myths
Sorry, the points reported in your link are completely unrelated to the ones I wrote in my comment. Would you please phrase what you meant?
US EPA isn’t trustworthy
Argue against the points not the name on it that you don’t like
The points against cars have already been made
A point was made above. You respond to the point. Not that you think the name on a link is full of boogeymen.
You’re literally in the fuck cars comm
I have no idea what you’re even trying to argue
Electric cars help pollution like filtered cigarettes help smoker health. It’s a tangible improvement, but on the grand scale of things it’s not a significant improvement.
Still cars 🤷
You’re strawmanning here, nobody said electric cars aren’t better. They just aren’t the solution.