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    1 year ago

    The IDf operates behind every civilian in Israel - which means every civilian in Israel is a “human shield” for the Israeli state.

    While we’re at it, we might just as well declare every 9/11 victim a US “human shield,” too.

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      While we’re at it, we might just as well declare every 9/11 victim a US “human shield,” too.

      Frankly, Bin Laden’s justification why killing US civilians was justified sounds very similar to justifications of hard line Israeli politicians why civilian getting killed in Gaza don’t deserve any sympathy and were “asking for it”. Both boil down to, “they voted for the people in charge who do crimes against us, so they are guilty as well.”

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        It’s amazing how quickly contrived propaganda terms like “human shields” loses any meaning when they are flipped around on people western media hasn’t marked for genocide, eh?

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      The IDf operates behind every civilian in Israel - which means every civilian in Israel is a “human shield” for the Israeli state.

      That’s an interesting take on it. I don’t think that’s how the idea of human shield is usually viewed. It’s usually more direct, operating from a place with civilians so you don’t get bombed or literally forcing someone to stand between you and your enemy or something.

      While we’re at it, we might just as well declare every 9/11 victim a US “human shield,” too.

      How exactly?

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        1 year ago

        That’s an interesting take on it. I don’t think that’s how the idea pure propaganda of human shield is usually viewed deployed for the consumption of Israeli-loving white supremacists.

        Fixed that for you.

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            Again… if that is what Hamas has (supposedly) done, then there is no reason not to designate every civilian in Israel, the US or any NATO member state as “human shields” as well.

            Pick your propaganda and stop being a hypocrite about it.

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              I find it interesting that you can’t give a straight answer to whether you believe they’ve used human shields or not. I think it’s undeniable they’ve done that.

              then there is no reason not to designate every civilian in Israel, the US or any NATO member state as “human shields” as well

              I’m sorry but that doesn’t make sense. A human shield has an actual meaning, it’s not just all civilians in general.

              Pick your propaganda and stop being a hypocrite about it.

              Indeed. I’m pretty straightforward in that I condemn the use of human shields, full stop.

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                I find it interesting that you can’t give a straight answer

                This is as straight as it gets, genius - I’m not the one buying into white supremacist propaganda… you are.

                A human shield has an actual meaning

                The only “meaning” it has is the one assigned to it by white supremacist propaganda and the white supremacists swallowing this propaganda.

                I think it’s undeniable they’ve done that.

                So you admit that 9/11 was an entirely justified attack? You know… as the US was (and still must be) using every civilian in the US as “human shields”?

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                  This is as straight as it gets, genius - I’m not the one buying into white supremacist propaganda… you are.

                  So you don’t think they’ve used human shields?

                  The only “meaning” it has is the one assigned to it by white supremacist propaganda and the white supremacists swallowing this propaganda.

                  Idk, seems a bit strange to count all the people on this article as white supremacists. Especially since “The concept of human shields as a resistance measure was created by Mahatma Gandhi as a weapon of resistance.”

                  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human_shield

                  So you admit that 9/11 was an entirely justified attack? You know… as the US was (and still must be) using every civilian in the US as “human shields”?

                  I didn’t even agree with your strange definition of human shield, how in the hell did you think I’d agree with this bizarre non sequitor is beyond me

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                    Tell you what… I’ll just keep repeating it until it penetrates through all the right-wing brain-rot that has taken up residence in your head, okay? So here…

                    This is as straight as it gets, genius - I’m not the one buying into white supremacist propaganda… you are.

                    white supremacists.

                    Only white supremacists swallow white supremacist propaganda. It’s as simple as that.

                    I didn’t even agree

                    In other words… you admit the 9/11 attack was entirely justified as it claimed only “human shields.”

                    See how easy it is to not be a hippocrate?

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        Because it’s just as disingenuous and disgusting to imply as what you’re implying.

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          I’ll have to ask you to explain what you think I’m implying. You might’ve misunderstood me, since I don’t think I’ve said anything that could be taken for “disingenuous and disgusting”.