• dragontamer@lemmy.world
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    1 year ago

    In particular, Israeli borders have been set since 1967 and they even returned the Sinai peninsula after the 7 day war.

    So please, show me where Israeli conquest in the past 50 years (1973 to 2023) led to expanded Israeli territory.

    Ah right, there wasn’t any expansion of territory at all. It’s like they aren’t invoking Lebensraum at all.

    illegal Israeli Settlers

    Yes. This is a problem. But they are as you put it, illegal. The issue here is not one of law or even the Israeli government, but instead the people at the bottom trying to reclaim their lands. Or so they think anyway, everyone has a claim here so it gets rather complex.

    Israel needs to punish those illegal settlers in the West Bank more. But guess what? The West Bank settler issue is in the West Bank, not Gaza.

    So if you are talking about Gaza specifically, you’ve already lost the settler debate because there are no Israeli Settlers moving into Gaza.

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      “invoking Lebensraum” sounds so awfully off. You apporach this discussion in a condescending fashion, yet you sound rather… superficially informed. “Lebensraum” is not a program that gets “invoked”. It’s the German word for “habitat” or “living space” and was not as prevalent in Nazi ideology as especially US-discussions make it seem. Furthermore, “Lebensraum” alone is not a Nazi-thing. It’s “Lebensraum im Osten”. “Lebensraum” is a word that’s common in German today. “Der Lebensraum des Pandabären ist in Gefahr” “The habitat of the pandabear is in danger”. So whenever someone starts yelling “Lebensraum” and starts to act smug in Nazi-debates, they actually disqualified themselves to German ears.

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        Okay cool. So tell me when the Israelis have called for it.

        You’re begging the question and avoiding the crux of the issue, because you know you this entire line of discussion is bullshit. And I don’t blame you. I’m just calling yall out on it.