Ah yes, an activist holding up “From the River to the Sea” is calling for genocide
I mean, do you know what those words even fucking mean? That’s literally calling for the wiping out of the Jewish people and a return of the land to Muslim rule.
illegitimate
Does the United Nations Partition Plan for Palestine not… exist or something? The legal paperwork is literally right here establishing Israel under the charter of the United Nations. Now this was a shitty plan, built on a shitty idea from 1917 called the Balfour Declaration. But there’s nothing “illegitimate” about this. All the paperwork and everything was signed and recognized by the United Nations. And likely recognized by literally every country from everyone this discussion is from. (USA, Germany, Britain, etc. etc. Whoever is in this thread is probably from a country that recognizes the United Nations plan from 1947).
actually committing genocide
You’re skipping the demonstration of Israel pushing for a genocide. I’ve been asking all thread and everyone keeps ignoring my calls to provide evidence.
Dude, you’re taking the slogans of Hamas, PLO, or PLA. Do you… even look at who the fuck these people are before you take their language? They’re horrifyingly evil.
decades of erasing Palestinians and their identity isn’t.
Explain.
For example, when I point out Ukrainian genocide, I point out the process of Russian filtration operations where children are stolen out of Ukraine, their libraries burned, their textbooks replaced by Russian textbooks, their language destroyed. When I point out Uyghur genocide in China, I can point to the forced sterilization. Literally making people unable to have babies through the use of chemical / medicine processes which naturally destroys the culture and the people entirely over time.
Meanwhile, we can look at Gaza and…
Oh wow, its like the people of Gaza continue to grow and develop as a people, even under the (brutal) rule of Israel. Yes, Israel is brutal, that doesn’t make them genocidal.
I know right? Its like you didn’t have an argument from the start or any proof of genocidal Israelis or factual backing behind your discussion point or meme.
Sorry to be like this, but I really can’t help you. If you don’t see how this is a genocide, I don’t know what I could possibly say or do to change that. If the dead innocent people can’t convince you and Israel’s ongoing genocide and apartheid policy isn’t proof enough, then there is no hope I can have for you.
Answer: No. It was “just” war, and brutality. Further bombs (Hiroshima and Nagasaki) were similarly NOT genocide, and the Japanese people agree with us. It was an incredibly brutal move, but everyone agrees that the USA wasn’t trying to kill every Japanese person and therefore, they forgave us. Large numbers, even thousands or hundreds-of-thousands, or even millions of people can die without it being a genocide. Its not the “innocence” of people, or the “civilians” that make it a genocide. The genocide is the purposeful killing of the culture and attempts to erase the culture.
As brutal as Israel is (and we really need to get them to stop being so brutal), they at no point are trying to erase the Palestinians from existence. You’re having trouble finding evidence because the facts on the ground simply don’t line up with your worldview… but instead you’re just coming in from a meme culture or some kind of… shallow internet discussion rather from a steady historical background. So that’s where your mistake is.
This all goes back to my original point. Israel has done many wrongs here, and plenty of these wrongs absolutely need to be discussed. But the minute you start talking about Nazis, Genocides, or whatever, you’ve lost the argument and have left the realm of reality. You can, and should, criticize Israel for their overly brutal and disproportional attacks in Gaza. You can, and should, criticize Israel for turning into an ethno-state favoring one ethnicity for another (despite genetically speaking, Palestinians and Israelis sharing a ton of genetics so its not like there’s any clear scientific difference between the two).
Or alternatively, you can talk about the (close-to) genocide that’s occurring in the West Bank, but do not confuse the West Bank for Gaza. They’re different locations. The settler issues are kinda-sorta genocidal (just barely, but I think its at least in the realm of discussion). But its not anywhere close to the level that the Nazis attempted in their historic campaigns. So bringing up the rhetoric to Nazi-level / Hitler level is just laughable.
No you don’t understand they’re brown so its okay if we put them in camps and subject them to apartheid conditions plus sometimes they throw rocks at us. Israelis just want to eat figs and be holy why cant you people see that.
More than half a million people in Gaza — a quarter of the population — are starving, according to a report Thursday by the United Nations and other agencies, highlighting the humanitarian crisis caused by Israel’s bombardment and siege on the territory in response to Hamas’ Oct. 7 attack.
The extent of the population’s hunger eclipsed even the near-famines in Afghanistan and Yemen of recent years, according to figures in the report. The report warned that the risk of famine is “increasing each day,” blaming the hunger on insufficient aid entering Gaza.
“It doesn’t get any worse,’’ said Arif Husain, chief economist for the U.N.’s World Food Program. “I have never seen something at the scale that is happening in Gaza. And at this speed.”
But hey, big line goes up, who cares if they’re chronically malnourished and desperate. What possible consequence could this even have for regional stability and security?
I do care about the people of Gaza. I’m actively, and truly, believe that the best course of action is for the Egyptian/Qatari peace plan to be immediately signed.
But if someone is trying to convince me that Israel has been genociding the people of Gaza for the last 5 decades well… I’m sorry. The math just doesn’t add up. We have statistics that prove otherwise.
if someone is trying to convince me that Israel has been genociding the people of Gaza for the last 5 decades well… I’m sorry
When Yoav Gallant is applauding the Nakba of '48 and calling for a repeat in '23, this isn’t a question of you being convinced. Its purely a question of whether you acknowledge the reality on the ground in Gaza or plug your ears in denial. But don’t feel singled out. You’d hardly the first person to deny that a holocaust has taken place.
I mean, do you know what those words even fucking mean? That’s literally calling for the wiping out of the Jewish people and a return of the land to Muslim rule.
Does the United Nations Partition Plan for Palestine not… exist or something? The legal paperwork is literally right here establishing Israel under the charter of the United Nations. Now this was a shitty plan, built on a shitty idea from 1917 called the Balfour Declaration. But there’s nothing “illegitimate” about this. All the paperwork and everything was signed and recognized by the United Nations. And likely recognized by literally every country from everyone this discussion is from. (USA, Germany, Britain, etc. etc. Whoever is in this thread is probably from a country that recognizes the United Nations plan from 1947).
You’re skipping the demonstration of Israel pushing for a genocide. I’ve been asking all thread and everyone keeps ignoring my calls to provide evidence.
https://www.cnn.com/2023/10/14/middleeast/us-aircraft-carrier-eisenhower-israel-gaza-intl-hnk-ml/index.html
2x Carrier Strike Groups say otherwise. But yeah, pretend that my side doesn’t have power if you want.
Hmmm I though Israel didn’t belive in the UN lol
What about these resolutions Israel ignored?
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_United_Nations_resolutions_concerning_Israel
If you think Palestinans wanting their old land back is somehow the same as wanting to kill all Jews, then I can’t help you.
From the River to the Sea, Palestine will be Free
Go report me to the mods if this is a “call for genocide” but somehow decades of erasing Palestinians and their identity isn’t.
Dude, you’re taking the slogans of Hamas, PLO, or PLA. Do you… even look at who the fuck these people are before you take their language? They’re horrifyingly evil.
Explain.
For example, when I point out Ukrainian genocide, I point out the process of Russian filtration operations where children are stolen out of Ukraine, their libraries burned, their textbooks replaced by Russian textbooks, their language destroyed. When I point out Uyghur genocide in China, I can point to the forced sterilization. Literally making people unable to have babies through the use of chemical / medicine processes which naturally destroys the culture and the people entirely over time.
Meanwhile, we can look at Gaza and…
Oh wow, its like the people of Gaza continue to grow and develop as a people, even under the (brutal) rule of Israel. Yes, Israel is brutal, that doesn’t make them genocidal.
What a waste of time to even have written a single letter back to you.
I know right? Its like you didn’t have an argument from the start or any proof of genocidal Israelis or factual backing behind your discussion point or meme.
sigh
Sorry to be like this, but I really can’t help you. If you don’t see how this is a genocide, I don’t know what I could possibly say or do to change that. If the dead innocent people can’t convince you and Israel’s ongoing genocide and apartheid policy isn’t proof enough, then there is no hope I can have for you.
Thanks for understanding.
Let me ask you a question then. Was the Tokyo Firebombing campaign of 1945 a genocide? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bombing_of_Tokyo
Answer: No. It was “just” war, and brutality. Further bombs (Hiroshima and Nagasaki) were similarly NOT genocide, and the Japanese people agree with us. It was an incredibly brutal move, but everyone agrees that the USA wasn’t trying to kill every Japanese person and therefore, they forgave us. Large numbers, even thousands or hundreds-of-thousands, or even millions of people can die without it being a genocide. Its not the “innocence” of people, or the “civilians” that make it a genocide. The genocide is the purposeful killing of the culture and attempts to erase the culture.
As brutal as Israel is (and we really need to get them to stop being so brutal), they at no point are trying to erase the Palestinians from existence. You’re having trouble finding evidence because the facts on the ground simply don’t line up with your worldview… but instead you’re just coming in from a meme culture or some kind of… shallow internet discussion rather from a steady historical background. So that’s where your mistake is.
This all goes back to my original point. Israel has done many wrongs here, and plenty of these wrongs absolutely need to be discussed. But the minute you start talking about Nazis, Genocides, or whatever, you’ve lost the argument and have left the realm of reality. You can, and should, criticize Israel for their overly brutal and disproportional attacks in Gaza. You can, and should, criticize Israel for turning into an ethno-state favoring one ethnicity for another (despite genetically speaking, Palestinians and Israelis sharing a ton of genetics so its not like there’s any clear scientific difference between the two).
Or alternatively, you can talk about the (close-to) genocide that’s occurring in the West Bank, but do not confuse the West Bank for Gaza. They’re different locations. The settler issues are kinda-sorta genocidal (just barely, but I think its at least in the realm of discussion). But its not anywhere close to the level that the Nazis attempted in their historic campaigns. So bringing up the rhetoric to Nazi-level / Hitler level is just laughable.
Sorry, like I tried to indicate early to you, I’m not interested in a discussion. Maybe someone else could answer that.
No you don’t understand they’re brown so its okay if we put them in camps and subject them to apartheid conditions plus sometimes they throw rocks at us. Israelis just want to eat figs and be holy why cant you people see that.
https://apnews.com/article/israel-hamas-war-news-12-21-2023-7d9718b32bf0d308c44c7c9e3c4e0deb
But hey, big line goes up, who cares if they’re chronically malnourished and desperate. What possible consequence could this even have for regional stability and security?
I do care about the people of Gaza. I’m actively, and truly, believe that the best course of action is for the Egyptian/Qatari peace plan to be immediately signed.
But if someone is trying to convince me that Israel has been genociding the people of Gaza for the last 5 decades well… I’m sorry. The math just doesn’t add up. We have statistics that prove otherwise.
When Yoav Gallant is applauding the Nakba of '48 and calling for a repeat in '23, this isn’t a question of you being convinced. Its purely a question of whether you acknowledge the reality on the ground in Gaza or plug your ears in denial. But don’t feel singled out. You’d hardly the first person to deny that a holocaust has taken place.