If someone is eminent danger to others and there is no other option, it’s ok to kill them to in my book. But no it’s not ok to torture people at al. But I make a difference between torture and imprisonment: since I think prisoners deserve humane conditions and rehabilitation should be the goal, prison should not be like torture. If your prison is torture you doing it wrong.
They wont, we have pretty good data that rehabilitation is a rather good way to prevent recidivism. It helps if the society is in general build in a more social way. But sure there are some people who can’t be reintegrated into society and have to be kept in hopefully humane way separated from society, we do the same with extrem forms of mental illness.
It isn’t an opinion, though, you are simply failing to follow the conversation. I said “the method itself”, which implies that I am comparing this method to other methods and NOT discussing whether or not capital punishment is ok.
And you are not getting the point. Every method of killing people is terrible and inhumane. There is no humane way of killing people, because the very act of killing people is inhumane.
The only humane method is one that doesn’t kill or harm people.
How is it ridiculous? If someone wants to end their own life, oxygen deprivation is possibly the most peaceful way to do so. In fact, many folks choose to end their lives with dignity by closing themselves in small “gas chambers” specifically designed for this purpose.
The method itself is not problematic.
I’d argue any method of killing a living being against their will is problematic…
No, you’re arguing the decision to kill a living being against their will is problematic, in which I wholeheartedly agree.
To be able to call the method problematic implies you find killing against will acceptable.
This particular method (inert gas asphyxiation) is absolutely not problematic when killing people that choose to do so: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sarco_pod
Sure, but that’s not what we are talking about.
What about imprisoning them against their will?
If they are danger to others, sure.
So it’s okay to torture people if they’re a danger to others, but not kill them?
If someone is eminent danger to others and there is no other option, it’s ok to kill them to in my book. But no it’s not ok to torture people at al. But I make a difference between torture and imprisonment: since I think prisoners deserve humane conditions and rehabilitation should be the goal, prison should not be like torture. If your prison is torture you doing it wrong.
What happens when people commit more crimes because the consequence of imprisonment is not enough of a deterrent?
They wont, we have pretty good data that rehabilitation is a rather good way to prevent recidivism. It helps if the society is in general build in a more social way. But sure there are some people who can’t be reintegrated into society and have to be kept in hopefully humane way separated from society, we do the same with extrem forms of mental illness.
Then you know you are in the us penal system
Murder is still murder, no matter if it’s legalized.
And an execution is a premeditated murder in cold blood, even a systemic one. It’s pretty much the worst kind of murder.
And yes, every kind of murder is problematic. Using gas chambers just gives it the correct appearance: state sponsored serial murder.
Do you struggle with context, hypotheticals, or both?
You seem to have no arguments for your opinion, otherwise why would you have to resort to personal attacks?
These kinds of comments are usually the internet equivalent of a white flag.
It isn’t an opinion, though, you are simply failing to follow the conversation. I said “the method itself”, which implies that I am comparing this method to other methods and NOT discussing whether or not capital punishment is ok.
And you are not getting the point. Every method of killing people is terrible and inhumane. There is no humane way of killing people, because the very act of killing people is inhumane.
The only humane method is one that doesn’t kill or harm people.
What if they want to be killed?
Now this is getting ridiculous.
How is it ridiculous? If someone wants to end their own life, oxygen deprivation is possibly the most peaceful way to do so. In fact, many folks choose to end their lives with dignity by closing themselves in small “gas chambers” specifically designed for this purpose.
Jesus fucking Christ
Strong comment, thanks.