The White House is considering executive action that would allow President Joe Biden to effectively shut down the border to migrants crossing unlawfully, according to three sources familiar with the matter—a maneuver reminiscent of controversial action from the Donald Trump era and is sure to invite fierce backlash from immigration advocates and progressives.
And you all told me the blue maga border bill that Republicans rejected was 4d chess.
Huh. I’m not really sure. I guess it must be because they’re fucking worse on every issue.
I’m not okay with genocide or ‘secure border’ insanity. But I also recognize that cutting the brakes and saying ‘all aboard the fascism express’ is not a fucking improvement.
You want to explain to me what your are not willing to sacrifice in the ‘name’ of democracy?
Please, tell me about your totally-not-fascist alternative to democracy. I’d love to hear it.
Jesus you’re dumb (pun intended fully, though adding or leaving the comma was a tough decision.) And I say that, not because we disagree, but because of your complete misreading of that last bit you quote.
Democracy is a political system. Same as fascism (not that they are equal, but they are both political systems.) The reason the former is supposedly better, when paired with minority rights, is that it doesn’t lead to things like genocide.
You’re willing to throw away minority rights, and embrace genocide as an acceptable option for the facade of democracy that you love.
What you are supporting is not democracy. And you don’t love democracy, because you’re willing to throw the bits that separate democracy from mob rule out, to save the trappings of democracy. And you’re willing to tolerate genocide, the bad thing that supposedly fascism leads to and democracy doesn’t, to support, again, the trappings of democracy.
Secondly, I think that you are arguing in bad faith. I think you don’t actually believe Trump will end in fascism (though, I actually somewhat do).
Tell me, have you started purchasing weapons? Stockpiling food, water, medical supplies, and ammo? If not, why not? Resistance is the proper response to fascism, no? Lest something like, oh I don’t know, a genocide happens?
And this is all during a time where we’re not actually locked into Biden as a candidate. You’re all in for supporting Biden though he is actively participating in a genocide, and justifying it with ‘Trump’s worse!’ when we are in the time period where we could choose someone else!
It’s almost like you are arguing in bad faith and trying to prevent anyone else but Biden.
The reason the former is supposedly better, when paired with minority rights, is that it doesn’t lead to things like genocide.
I think you have a fundamental misunderstanding of democracy.
Secondly, I think that you are arguing in bad faith. I think you don’t actually believe Trump will end in fascism (though, I actually somewhat do).
I absolutely think a second Trump administration is more likely than not to end American democracy and usher in an age of fascism, possibly worldwide.
Tell me, have you started purchasing weapons? Stockpiling food, water, medical supplies, and ammo? If not, why not? Resistance is the proper response to fascism, no? Lest something like, oh I don’t know, a genocide happens?
My guy, if fascism comes to America, I’m a mentally ill near-sighted cripple living significantly below the poverty line with an irregular income with few practical skills. If fascism comes to America, my options are pretty limited to “hide messages in my cane for la resistance” and “off myself”.
And separately, prepper delusions aren’t going to be much help.
And this is all during a time where we’re not actually locked into Biden as a candidate.
I don’t know how to address this level of delusion without going over a hundred years of American political history, which I suspect would be lost on you.
I don’t know how to address this level of delusion without going over a hundred years of American political history, which I suspect would be lost on you.
I love how you parade your ignorance. The Democratic candidate absolutely can be decided at the convention. All it would require is the current president engaging in an extremely unpopular genocide that IS going to cost him the election step down. You know, if he actually wanted to protect the country from Trump
My guy, if fascism comes to America, I’m a mentally ill near-sighted cripple living significantly below the poverty line with an irregular income with few practical skills.
So… Just to be clear with your previous arguments about being perfectly okay with sacrificing people, you’d actually vote for a Democratic candidate that was better than Trump in all ways, except he advocated for euthanizing, in your words, cripples?
You expect Palestinians to vote for the man providing the weapons that are being used to kill their entire families. You’d make the same sacrifice you expect of others?
And separately, prepper delusions aren’t going to be much help.
Tell that to the Italians. You keep using the word Fascism, without thinking through the ramifications of that word. It’s not a prepper fantasy to say that if you believe the end of democracy is nigh, and fascism is coming, that you should start stockpiling weapons to try to prevent the concentration camps. Something you also don’t seem to have a problem with, as long as they’re not in America.
The reason the former is supposedly better, when paired with minority rights, is that it doesn’t lead to things like genocide.
I think you have a fundamental misunderstanding of democracy.
I think you have a fundamental misunderstanding of the last 200 years of political theory.
So… Just to be clear with your previous arguments about being perfectly okay with sacrificing people, you’d actually vote for a Democratic candidate that was better than Trump in all ways, except he advocated for euthanizing, in your words, cripples?
Yes, absolutely. Fuck, man, that’s not even that far off. The US health care system as is is going to end me before long, and Biden isn’t going to do a damn thing about it. I still don’t want anyone else to be fucked who can be saved from being fucked.
Also, in this example, Trump should be advocating the torture and euthanization of cripples. Because Trump’s track record and rhetoric are both considerably worse on the issue of Palestine and Israel.
If asked to choose between “More evil” and “Less”, pick less. If asked to choose between having your entire family killed and having your brother killed, pick your brother. No one is saved by picking the greater evil. It’s not a moral choice. It’s not helpful. It’s just a tantrum.
All of your other points are just rehashing the same arguments made before.
Yes, absolutely. Fuck, man, that’s not even that far off. The US health care system as is is going to end me before long, and Biden isn’t going to do a damn thing about it. I still don’t want anyone else to be fucked who can be saved from being fucked.
Sigh I can’t disagree with you there. At all.
Especially with the way this administration and everyone seems to have forgotten Covid is still a mass disabling event.
All of your other points are just rehashing the same arguments made before.
You’re right, they are. You’d sacrifice everything to prevent the end of democracy, without the recognition that to a significant enough portion of the population if genocide is on the table democracy already ended.
And you’d rather blame them, then literally the one man who could, in your arguments, save it. According to polling, basically anyone but Biden beats Trump. Fuck man, even the NYTimes with Nate Silver is starting to push the idea that Biden needs step down for the sake of the country.
You’re right, they are. You’d sacrifice everything to prevent the end of democracy, without the recognition that to a significant enough portion of the population if genocide is on the table democracy already ended.
No, that’s really not how democracy works. It’s not “Democracy unless it does something evil, then it’s not democracy.”
Democracy is not some good, pure, angelic ideal. It’s ugly. It’s asking people what they want. And oftentimes, people want shitty fucking things.
According to polling, basically anyone but Biden beats Trump.
That’s literally not true, and I can dig up plenty of polls which disprove that handily. More pertinently, no one who is running performs better than Biden, except “Unknown Generic Democrat Who Everyone Can Project Their Views Onto” which every minor candidate in the primary wants to convince everyone they are.
Fuck man, even the NYTimes with Nate Silver is starting to push the idea that Biden needs step down for the sake of the country.
Nate Silver also pushes ‘Both Sides’. He’s a statistician, not a polisci specialist.
Nate Silver also pushes ‘Both Sides’. He’s a statistician, not a polisci specialist.
He’s a good person to watch to get a feeling for what the people who would make the decision of who to run in the Democratic Convention are thinking. Since that is what matters, and not, you know, democracy.
I’m curious, do you play board games, and if you do, how do you feel about board games that contain “kingmaking” elements?
It’s related, I promise.
Also, I apologize for the earlier insults and claims of bad faith. I strongly disagree with you, but you didn’t deserve those. I’m sorry.
He’s a good person to watch to get a feeling for what the people who would make the decision of who to run in the Democratic Convention are thinking.
… is he? Nate Silver is a statistician without strong ties to the Democratic Party. Why would his opinions influence the decisionmakers in the DNC? Or reflect them?
I’m curious, do you play board games, and if you do, how do you feel about board games that contain “kingmaking” elements?
Haven’t played any board games in a long time, but I used to enjoy those kinds. I used to play In The Shadow Of The Emperor.
Also, I apologize for the earlier insults and claims of bad faith. I strongly disagree with you, but you didn’t deserve those. I’m sorry.
Nah, it’s fine. I don’t trust anyone who doesn’t get heated about politics. It’s one of the things in the world where you absolutely SHOULD be pissed.
“Why do you not want the worse candidate?”
Huh. I’m not really sure. I guess it must be because they’re fucking worse on every issue.
I’m not okay with genocide or ‘secure border’ insanity. But I also recognize that cutting the brakes and saying ‘all aboard the fascism express’ is not a fucking improvement.
Please, tell me about your totally-not-fascist alternative to democracy. I’d love to hear it.
Jesus you’re dumb (pun intended fully, though adding or leaving the comma was a tough decision.) And I say that, not because we disagree, but because of your complete misreading of that last bit you quote.
Democracy is a political system. Same as fascism (not that they are equal, but they are both political systems.) The reason the former is supposedly better, when paired with minority rights, is that it doesn’t lead to things like genocide.
You’re willing to throw away minority rights, and embrace genocide as an acceptable option for the facade of democracy that you love.
What you are supporting is not democracy. And you don’t love democracy, because you’re willing to throw the bits that separate democracy from mob rule out, to save the trappings of democracy. And you’re willing to tolerate genocide, the bad thing that supposedly fascism leads to and democracy doesn’t, to support, again, the trappings of democracy.
Secondly, I think that you are arguing in bad faith. I think you don’t actually believe Trump will end in fascism (though, I actually somewhat do).
Tell me, have you started purchasing weapons? Stockpiling food, water, medical supplies, and ammo? If not, why not? Resistance is the proper response to fascism, no? Lest something like, oh I don’t know, a genocide happens?
And this is all during a time where we’re not actually locked into Biden as a candidate. You’re all in for supporting Biden though he is actively participating in a genocide, and justifying it with ‘Trump’s worse!’ when we are in the time period where we could choose someone else!
It’s almost like you are arguing in bad faith and trying to prevent anyone else but Biden.
I think you have a fundamental misunderstanding of democracy.
I absolutely think a second Trump administration is more likely than not to end American democracy and usher in an age of fascism, possibly worldwide.
My guy, if fascism comes to America, I’m a mentally ill near-sighted cripple living significantly below the poverty line with an irregular income with few practical skills. If fascism comes to America, my options are pretty limited to “hide messages in my cane for la resistance” and “off myself”.
And separately, prepper delusions aren’t going to be much help.
I don’t know how to address this level of delusion without going over a hundred years of American political history, which I suspect would be lost on you.
I love how you parade your ignorance. The Democratic candidate absolutely can be decided at the convention. All it would require is the current president engaging in an extremely unpopular genocide that IS going to cost him the election step down. You know, if he actually wanted to protect the country from Trump
So… Just to be clear with your previous arguments about being perfectly okay with sacrificing people, you’d actually vote for a Democratic candidate that was better than Trump in all ways, except he advocated for euthanizing, in your words, cripples?
You expect Palestinians to vote for the man providing the weapons that are being used to kill their entire families. You’d make the same sacrifice you expect of others?
Tell that to the Italians. You keep using the word Fascism, without thinking through the ramifications of that word. It’s not a prepper fantasy to say that if you believe the end of democracy is nigh, and fascism is coming, that you should start stockpiling weapons to try to prevent the concentration camps. Something you also don’t seem to have a problem with, as long as they’re not in America.
I think you have a fundamental misunderstanding of the last 200 years of political theory.
Yes, absolutely. Fuck, man, that’s not even that far off. The US health care system as is is going to end me before long, and Biden isn’t going to do a damn thing about it. I still don’t want anyone else to be fucked who can be saved from being fucked.
Also, in this example, Trump should be advocating the torture and euthanization of cripples. Because Trump’s track record and rhetoric are both considerably worse on the issue of Palestine and Israel.
If asked to choose between “More evil” and “Less”, pick less. If asked to choose between having your entire family killed and having your brother killed, pick your brother. No one is saved by picking the greater evil. It’s not a moral choice. It’s not helpful. It’s just a tantrum.
All of your other points are just rehashing the same arguments made before.
Sigh I can’t disagree with you there. At all.
Especially with the way this administration and everyone seems to have forgotten Covid is still a mass disabling event.
You’re right, they are. You’d sacrifice everything to prevent the end of democracy, without the recognition that to a significant enough portion of the population if genocide is on the table democracy already ended.
And you’d rather blame them, then literally the one man who could, in your arguments, save it. According to polling, basically anyone but Biden beats Trump. Fuck man, even the NYTimes with Nate Silver is starting to push the idea that Biden needs step down for the sake of the country.
No, that’s really not how democracy works. It’s not “Democracy unless it does something evil, then it’s not democracy.”
Democracy is not some good, pure, angelic ideal. It’s ugly. It’s asking people what they want. And oftentimes, people want shitty fucking things.
That’s literally not true, and I can dig up plenty of polls which disprove that handily. More pertinently, no one who is running performs better than Biden, except “Unknown Generic Democrat Who Everyone Can Project Their Views Onto” which every minor candidate in the primary wants to convince everyone they are.
Nate Silver also pushes ‘Both Sides’. He’s a statistician, not a polisci specialist.
He’s a good person to watch to get a feeling for what the people who would make the decision of who to run in the Democratic Convention are thinking. Since that is what matters, and not, you know, democracy.
I’m curious, do you play board games, and if you do, how do you feel about board games that contain “kingmaking” elements?
It’s related, I promise.
Also, I apologize for the earlier insults and claims of bad faith. I strongly disagree with you, but you didn’t deserve those. I’m sorry.
… is he? Nate Silver is a statistician without strong ties to the Democratic Party. Why would his opinions influence the decisionmakers in the DNC? Or reflect them?
Haven’t played any board games in a long time, but I used to enjoy those kinds. I used to play In The Shadow Of The Emperor.
Nah, it’s fine. I don’t trust anyone who doesn’t get heated about politics. It’s one of the things in the world where you absolutely SHOULD be pissed.