• Striker@lemmy.worldEnglish
    2734·
    3 years ago

    I am fine with the place settling for a bit. It would suck if this place was as big as other sites are overnight. I want to watch this place grow over time

    • Aer@lemmy.worldMEnglish
      1652·
      3 years ago

      Natural, healthy, positive growth! Not growth for growths sake

    • Metallibus@lemmy.worldEnglish
      20·
      3 years ago

      Yeah, my main problem so far has been finding communities actually worth following/joining/contributing to.

      If suddenly tons of average people join, they won’t really find communities, they’ll deem that their analysis of Lemmy, and leave with tiny chances of a second chance. It’ll just boom and bust in it’s current state. Most people aren’t interested in starting or growing a small community.

      Meanwhile, if we stay at this size for a while, communities may form/grow, and as people trickle in, they’ll grow bit by bit.

    • greendakota99@lemmy.worldEnglish
      5·
      3 years ago

      I’m interested in seeing how well these great open source apps for Lemmy scale as the user base and post/comment data grows.

      • lightsecond@programming.devEnglish
        3·
        3 years ago

        The apps are already amazing and will not suffer issues of scale themselves because they run on users’ devices. The scaling issues will be in Lemmy server code and ActivityPub in general.

        ActivityPub doesn’t seem very scalable IMHO. It works well if all instances are about the same size and communities are well-distributed. Right now a few servers like lemmy.world, sh.itjust.works, and lemmy.ml are much larger than others. They host most of the popular communities as well. This creates an imbalance which ActivityPub doesn’t handle well.

        I think Lemmy instances should be topic based. But that’d be confusing for people coming from centralized social media who are only trying to find a reliable starting place. So I really hope we reach a point of maturity and mainstream-ness of Fediverse that people feel comfortable with smaller theme-based instances.

        • Dogeek@sh.itjust.works
          1·
          3 years ago

          My main gripe with ActivityPub is that the infrastructure basically replicates 1-to-1 across subscribed instances. It means that as lemmy grows, servers will require more and more storage to keep up. For now, it’s fine since we’re under a few TB of content on the platform.

          If lemmy were to be as popular as reddit, we’d reach the dozens if not hundreds of TB of storage required. Not everyone has the money to build such a homelab or rent data center servers of that caliber.

          ActivityPub in it’s current state is nothing but replicated centralization, not a full decentralized protocol. We’d probably need a different database system that handles cross region clustering and sharing to scale it up.

          • Baŝto@discuss.tchncs.de
            1·
            2 years ago

            If you don’t mirror everything locally, you can lose data when other instances go down. Decentralization just has high data costs, take a look at git or bitcoin. I just hope ActivityPup learned something from Diaspora, where small instances couldn’t handle the amount traffic comming from big instances.

            • Dogeek@sh.itjust.works
              2·
              2 years ago

              My point was that there is no need to replicate everything everywhere. If the data is replicated a cross 5 instances per region for instance, it’s enough for replication needs. If you self host lemmy and subscribes to large communities on your instance, you can quickly overload your server. We need activity pub to be more lightweight if we want smaller instances to thrive.

    • R0cket_M00se@lemmy.worldEnglish
      4·
      3 years ago

      As long as we have the population to stabilize the big communities and slowly fill out the niche ones as reddit drives ever downward. I think we will be ok.

    • Silkscreen@lemmy.zipEnglish
      1·
      3 years ago

      I hope that the lemmy devs take this time to look at how they’re distributing users. We need a better browser for people to find what instances to join. The next Reddit exodus is going to be massive and .ml and .world aren’t ready for it.

      The brain-drain has already happened on reddit and it’s only a matter of time before the good content and 3rd party development explodes here on Lemmy.

  • HereticHydra@lemmy.worldEnglish
    51·
    3 years ago

    That is probably my fault, I’m cursed and the moment I ever join any organization or community, something invariably always happens.

        • mythos@lemmy.worldEnglish
          13·
          3 years ago

          Might be fun if everyone got like 1 gold every couple weeks to give out. That way they’d still sorta be meaningful

            • Uniquitous@lemmy.oneEnglish
              1·
              3 years ago

              Concur. I would tie “awards awardable” to participation. 1 award per 10 posts or 100 comments. Given the federated nature of Lemmy it would probably have to be tabulated per instance, but that’s okay since that would tie awards awardable to the communities in which one most often participates.

        • grissee@lemmy.worldEnglish
          3·
          3 years ago

          my engineer brain immediately went to how crazy the desync would be lmao (upvotes, comments, and subscriber count already out of sync sometimes)

        • Uniquitous@lemmy.oneEnglish
          1·
          3 years ago

          I would tie “awards awardable” to participation. 1 award per 10 posts or 100 comments. Given the federated nature of Lemmy it would probably have to be tabulated per instance, but that’s okay since that would tie awards awardable to the communities in which one most often participates.

    • Bleeping Lobster@lemmy.worldEnglish
      26·
      3 years ago

      Still no real idea what “instances” are and no idea if I am missing out on entire subs because I am on .world. No clue. Do people on .world only see this?

      ‘Communities’ are akin to subreddits. ‘Instances’ are akin to reddit allowing other people to spin up their own version of reddit with their own ruleset, but still under the reddit umbrella; with other reddit-users being able to access other reddits. But, those ‘other reddits’ might decide hey we don’t like clowns so we are blocking clown reddit; clown reddit can no longer access the other reddits, without directly registering on them.

      If you want to expand your lemmy experience, when you fire up lemmy.world, there is a setting at the top which defaults to subscribed (iirc), change this to ‘All’ and it will show posts from all other instances that aren’t defederated.

    • sndrtj@feddit.nlEnglish
      3·
      3 years ago

      The language thing is annoying as hell on mobile. Connect doesn’t allow me to select a language - or at least I can’t find the button. I’d say approx 20% of posts get denied because “wrong language”. I guess it’s autodetecting and fails at that?

    • MrNesser@lemmy.worldEnglish
      3·
      3 years ago

      I use wefwef which is now voyager never had this issue.

      Never actually chosen a language.

      Many of the subs are empty because they were either created by squatters wanting to be uber mods of many subs or by the current reddit mods in case they wish to migrate in the future.

      Website I can’t speak to as I use the app which I’ve had no issues with and is updated daily.

      I’m also kinda lost on instance but I’m in lemmy.world and I seem to have all the important subs/whatever I want.

    • Rick@thesimplecorner.orgEnglish
      1·
      3 years ago

      Admittedly the language thing is the most confusing thing for new users. Just leave it at undetermined.

      • Hazdaz@lemmy.worldBannedEnglish
        2·
        3 years ago

        But there is no place to change it. And when you are trying to post, you’re not sure what to do. If you cancel, you lose what you wrote (obviously can save to clipboard), but even then in the app, I haven’t seen a place to change the language even if I wanted to. It’s one of those quirks that can turn lots of people off and want to go back to Reddit.

        • Rick@thesimplecorner.orgEnglish
          2·
          3 years ago

          It’s in your settings. If you’re using an app that may be the problem. For sure, the first day or two I was confused by it. I have mine set to undetermined & English. The list is kind of odd how to select them. It’s been set it and forget it. Definitely a barrier to entry because it doesn’t really have an obvious purpose when onboarding.

  • Dazed_Confused@lemmy.worldEnglish
    37·
    3 years ago

    Well, I deleted my account, so there is no going back to reddit. Also discussions here seem better for me for some reason.

  • XiELEd@lemmy.fmhy.mlEnglish
    331·
    3 years ago

    Chill man. Even my activity is dropping now, but that’s just me thinking that Lemmy will be self-sufficient while I read my books. It’s true that Lemmy is not as addicting as reddit, but that’s for the best. I’ve actually gotten into new hobbies whose communities I might eventually join here.

    • UntouchedWagons@lemmy.caEnglish
      45·
      3 years ago

      There was a post the other day about other lemmy servers that had thousands of inactive users. The OP contacted the admins of those servers to let them know and several admins did purge a load of accounts.

          • Einar@lemm.eeEnglish
            212·
            3 years ago

            People begin to realise that Lemmy is the bottom of the barrel. Constant server outages, low quality content and a community that is growing ever more toxic.

            There. You wanted incorrect and controversial.

    • The KraKEN @lemmy.oneEnglish
      222·
      3 years ago

      People were pushing for everyone to comment at least once a day so all the lurkers were counted as active users. It’s a little bit of The Pot Roast Principle at this point.

      Edit Ok, so don’t just pick the first link off Google folks. That got weird fast. Have this Less insane version instead.

      • Squids@sopuli.xyzEnglish
        16·
        3 years ago

        man what the hell is that article on? It starts off explaining the pot roast principle which ok that makes sense (it’s that we often do things not because of logic but simply we were taught to do so by our parents), but then it says that a message to take away from the story is that “persistence is a virtue” which I mean I guess but you’re kinda missing the point? But then in the very next sentence where it says “sometimes things we take as fact are just superstition” it goes “and we should consider prayer as a healthcare alternative” and compares listening to only medical science as like cutting the ends off a pot roast. Not like “superstitions hang around for a reason though and there’s perhaps some minor psychological value in these harmless cultural things” or “people who strongly believe in something tend to report more positively in negative times” or even god forbid “have you considered that prayer is like cutting pot roast ends?”, straight up “have you tried asking God for help? When was the last time you did that huh? Why are you treating God like a teabag that’s pretty ungrateful you dick”

        I’m guessing you probably didn’t mean for that to be the message (this article is weirdly the first to pop up when you google the term) but uh, maybe you should vet your articles? Unless you’re really trying to say we should try praying for lemmy to succeed

        • The KraKEN @lemmy.oneEnglish
          9·
          3 years ago

          To be honest I picked the first result on Google, half-heartedly scanned it to make sure it actually told the story about the roast and went “good enough”

          I just went back to reread it and I’m kind of horrified now. Going to have to edit in a less insane link.

      • solstice@lemmy.worldEnglish
        9·
        3 years ago

        I read once about an experiment where they put let’s say ten monkeys in a room, with a ladder in the middle, leading up to a bunch of grapes or bananas or whatever. Whenever a monkey approached the ladder to try and climb it though the researching would blast 'em with water. They all eventually learned that climbing the ladder leads to water cannon. They replaced one of the monkeys with a new one, and the other nine monkeys quickly taught it not to climb the ladder. This continued until all ten of the original monkeys were replaced, and eventually the water cannon had passed out of memory, and only remained in the lore they taught each other and the new monkeys, even though nobody had actually been sprayed for several “generations” if you will.

        I think about that a lot whenever people say they aren’t allowed do something, especially because of religion.

      • BeakEm420@ttrpg.networkEnglish
        4·
        3 years ago

        Not gonna lie I lost it when the article asks, “Are your prayers like tea bags? Do you only use them when you’re in hot water??”

      • LostDeer@infosec.pubEnglish
        2·
        3 years ago

        Most people just call that “cargo cult” where they don’t know why they do something, they just do the ritual without questioning it. Also it probably won’t lead to people looking up stuff related to putting a roast on a spit 😉

    • ChlorineAddict@lemmy.worldEnglish
      12·
      3 years ago

      This is a pretty standard curve for a recently discovered thing. Everyone is curious what it is, tries it out then a percentage decides it isn’t for them and goes elsewhere.

      I had to be pretty stubborn to get into Lemmy, never received the verification email (likely due to sudden server load) and no way to retrigger it, so had to wait until the new version came out. Apparently that removed the login block. Not to mention the filter on my account defaulting to showing no posts (needed to set language filter to include undetermined and my language), so it was kind of a rough entry.

      But this number isn’t total accounts, it’s active accounts. So that means people who have logged in at least once during the last month. The accounts still exist from when people came to check it out, but if they decided it wasn’t for them or ran into issues like I did and didn’t return then they’d fall off the active user list.

      New products face this curve all the time. Steady growth, discovery spike then retained user drop back to steady, hopefully accelerated, growth with a higher baseline than before.

      • Contramuffin@lemmy.worldEnglish
        9·
        3 years ago

        I am also under the impression that active only counts users who commented or posted. So there is also a very significant possibility that people are just settling in and starting to lurk. It’s really the 90-9-1 principle (in a stable community, 90% lurk, 9% are occasionally active, 1% are consistently active). It would really be weirder if we didn’t see some lurkers after such a massive influx of people