Personally, I believe that A CAB. Yes, all cops are bastards, no exceptions. Yet I have met people who think that cops in socialist countries aren’t bastards.

My reasoning is that it is a position of power over your fellow citizens/countrymen/people and only bastards would be attracted to such positions. While a person may go in with “good intentions”, invariably they will be at some point in their career be expected to do something “not good”: cover up for a colleague, arrest someone for law they don’t agree with, beat somebody up, and so on. If they do it and remain a cop, well they are a bastard, no matter how many old ladies they help cross the street or whatever.

Let’s also not pretend that a full communist utopia where every single law/regulation/rule is fair is possible in our lifetimes (or at all likely), there’ll always be people who will want to abuse their power and take control, cops are an easily bought section of society that makes it possible for them. Historically, cops have always sided with the aristocracy/bourgeoisie/land-owners/those with money.

Your thoughts?

  • multitotal@lemmygrad.mlOP
    23·
    5 months ago

    So your solution is to have thousands of indiependant police cells in countries that have billions of people

    Most countries aren’t that big. China and India account for 3 billion people, leaving 5 billion people across some 190 countries or so. It’s not “thousands of cells” and “billions of people” in countries. I said neighbourhood/village. You’re assuming that there’s “crime” going on every second in every square km of a country, that’s simply not true. You don’t need that many cops to be “patrolling” the streets. And what are they doing anyway? Looking for petty criminals and people who are circumventing tax laws and regulations mostly.

    Ah yes, lets just rely on our neighbours to violently de-escelate something, better hope your neighbour isnt a 70 year old women, il be moving into the bloc of MMA fighters and body builders to ensure my safety.

    The police doesn’t “de-escalate”, the police comes and beats people up and throws them in prison.

    to ensure my safety.

    Does the police ensure your safety right now, or will they come after the fact to “investigate”? That neighbour who calls the police for you could also have stopped whatever was happening. The police can’t teleport themselves instantly.

    total abolishment is shock therapy.

    First thing any new socialist country should do is throw all the police into the prison, then politically educate and hire a new cadre.

      • multitotal@lemmygrad.mlOP
        22·
        5 months ago

        Simply isn’t true of any cops I’ve encountered in AES countries.

        OK? You don’t think cops in AES countries beat people up or throw them in jail? They just come with blankets and cocoa? If you need the country you “defend” to be perfect in your eyes for you to defend it, I have bad news for you. I can recognise negative aspects of a country and still defend it and say it is preferrable to another.

        “Simply isn’t true that cops in AES countries beat people up and throw them in jail” lmao

          • multitotal@lemmygrad.mlOP
            22·
            5 months ago

            Cops in AES serve the state. The exists to subdue enemies and dangers to the socialist state and society.

            The state police (like Stasi, for example in the DDR) subdue enemies of the state. Police are literally there to “clean up the streets”. How can you be ignorant of this difference?

            over some American idealist who never has.

            Is the American idealist in the room with us now? Or are you calling me an American idealist? Insults aren’t going to help your case. You are having a knee-jerk reaction to a difference of opinion. Grow up.

              • multitotal@lemmygrad.mlOP
                32·
                5 months ago

                How many citizens of AES countries have you spoken to to inform this opinion of yours? How many times have you interacted with AES cops even?

                How many have you?

                then you’re just some foreigner applying foreign principles to places that you don’t know or understand.

                As opposed to you, The Great Understander and Knower? Should I make assumptions about you? You traveled to AES countries as a tourist and got treated nicely, because that’s how they treat tourists with money.