• diprount_tomato@lemmy.world
    link
    fedilink
    arrow-up
    3
    arrow-down
    1
    ·
    1 year ago

    I definitely am not against unions and the defence of worker’s rights (Specially for the USA, you fuckers have like 19th century working conditions) but there are quite some things in Marxist theory that I disagree with

    Like, that part where it’s the amount of work done that adds value to goods. Like, I could literally pick up a diamond meteorite that just fell on my yard and it would be extremely valuable. Scarcity is definitely a bigger factor than work put into goods. There’s also this thing of having no real incentives to be more efficient, but that might be more command economy specific

    • PugJesus@kbin.socialOP
      link
      fedilink
      arrow-up
      5
      arrow-down
      2
      ·
      1 year ago

      We could have a long conversation about this, but I think the easiest way would simply be to say that:

      1. Marxism is not the only form of socialism

      2. Command economy is very, VERY specific to the style of Marxism-Leninism that was exported by the Soviet Union. You might find interest in anarcho-syndicalism, mutualism, and market socialism. Not because I think you’ll necessarily agree with them, but because they posit very different ideas about how a socialist economy should work.

      • diprount_tomato@lemmy.world
        link
        fedilink
        arrow-up
        3
        ·
        1 year ago

        Don’t assume I didn’t know about those ideas. And don’t assume either that I’d like them. I mentioned Marxism as Marx is considered to be the “father of scientific socialism”

        • PugJesus@kbin.socialOP
          link
          fedilink
          arrow-up
          3
          arrow-down
          2
          ·
          1 year ago

          I didn’t say that you’d like them, I only brought them up because you included a specific criticism of command economies when asked for your issue with socialism.

          • SCB@lemmy.world
            link
            fedilink
            arrow-up
            1
            arrow-down
            2
            ·
            1 year ago

            Dude any “ism” that begins with “anarcho-” is just waiting for a smart person to become a dictator.

            If you don’t realize that, it’s just proof you’re not the smart person who would take over, not that it wouldn’t happen

    • BROOT@lemm.ee
      link
      fedilink
      arrow-up
      2
      ·
      1 year ago

      Diamonds are literally one of the most artificially inflated gemstone values in existence. They’re also the most abundant. Just pointing that out for when you try to argue your point again.

      • diprount_tomato@lemmy.world
        link
        fedilink
        arrow-up
        1
        ·
        1 year ago

        And yet it would have a high value despite it having gone through no worker’s hands.

        Yes, the economy is crazy in quite a lot of cases, yes, sometimes things are overvalued and that further proves Marx’s stance wrong

        • BROOT@lemm.ee
          link
          fedilink
          arrow-up
          1
          ·
          1 year ago

          Oh, yeah, I’m not disagreeing. I guess diamonds work for that, I’m just saying it’s not rare at all.

            • BROOT@lemm.ee
              link
              fedilink
              arrow-up
              1
              arrow-down
              1
              ·
              1 year ago

              True. Just for clarity, I think the Marxist socio-economic platform is absolute horseshit and doesn’t survive contact at all with the Information Age, because it necessitates an industrial/agrarian society.

    • Semi-Hemi-Demigod@kbin.social
      link
      fedilink
      arrow-up
      2
      arrow-down
      1
      ·
      edit-2
      1 year ago

      That diamond would be worth a lot more if you put in the labor to cut and polish it. Almost like labor adds value to resources.

      Also: Who says you own what falls on the ground?

              • diprount_tomato@lemmy.world
                link
                fedilink
                arrow-up
                1
                ·
                1 year ago

                That’s why the state must protect private property. In the case of the lawyers, if the claims are unfounded then I would get to keep it

                • Semi-Hemi-Demigod@kbin.social
                  link
                  fedilink
                  arrow-up
                  1
                  arrow-down
                  1
                  ·
                  edit-2
                  1 year ago

                  That’s why the state must protect private property

                  Oh, so you get special thugs that are allowed to use violence. That doesn’t seem fair.

                  Also: Now you see the violence inherent in the system.

                  • diprount_tomato@lemmy.world
                    link
                    fedilink
                    arrow-up
                    1
                    ·
                    1 year ago

                    Yes, we get special thugs that protect what’s of each person.

                    Sure, it’s probably even more violent than a literal mob trying to steal my stuff just because they want to. Well, it was that way in the Neolithic (raiding settlements) and that’s why its inhabitants decided to have some kind of protection by and for the settlement.

                    It’s literally not that hard to understand: you use force to prevent people from raiding your settlement, then the settlement grows with more safety and that’s literally how we stopped being either nomadic raiders or afraid and impoverished farmers.

                    Anarchism would be just going to that step