Saw this comment on the commie side of TikTok. My gut tells me this is ultraleft bs, but perhaps my fellow hexbears can educate me on this discussion which I’m sure is not new.

I don’t see how a poor American on food stamps is responsible, even though a systematic analysis reveals that international superexploitation is a thing.

The American proletariat can and should organize in any case. I don’t see how Americans can build any sort of socialist movement if any organization at all is accused of being hypocritical.

  • FunkyStuff [he/him]@hexbear.net
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    5 months ago

    Your gut is correct. The international left needs something to offer all workers, it’s idealist nonsense to expect that a Western left would ever be able to attract enough people to have leverage and use it to advance the position of the international working class without improving the situation for Western workers. That comment is grossly overgeneralizing the notion that imperialism incentivizes class collaborationism and false consciousness, which is true, but does not imply that anyone is better off by having a leftist movement that has nothing to offer to the people it’s trying to attract.

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      5 months ago

      From a utilitarian perspective if the left could rally the masses of the imperial core to all collectively go to the suicide booth, that would be a win for the global south. Of course that’s inhuman, from the moral high ground we would rally the masses of the imperial core to send everything not nailed down to floor on cargo ships to the global south forever, and the west could live in moral comfort with just the essentials, that’s also inhuman because nobody wants to live like that. From a practical perspective the imperial core could agree to pay reparations and gradually pay back the debt they owe to the global south but that’s the worst option of all, that’s not radical change at all, that’s worse than inhuman, that’s liberalism.