• _wintermute@lemmy.world
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    11 months ago

    You just described being a leftist. Why are libertarians so afraid of being put on the progressive left? You are not a libertarian lmao

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      10 months ago

      For the sake of clarity in this conversation, would you mind defining “leftist”? It is rather ambiguous.

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        11 months ago

        yes, and it’s not libertarianism.

        a political philosophy that advocates only minimal state intervention in the free market and the private lives of citizens.

        food stamps, anti-discrimination laws and anti-pollution laws are all a big fucking no-no for libertarians.

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          10 months ago

          food stamps

          Food stamps are not mutually exclusive with libertarianism on the whole. Libertarianism, very generally, can be described as encompassing the idea of maximising equal individual liberty, while ensuring that one cannot impart costs on another without their consent, or proper compensation for damages. Food stamps are more of a socialist view which puts it in the category of, what is commonly referred to as, “left-libertarianism”.

          anti-discrimination laws

          Correct, this would be incompatible with libertarianism – one has the right to choose with whom they associate, and what they say.

          anti-pollution laws

          This is incorrect. One cannot impart costs on another without their consent, or proper compensation for damages.

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            This is incorrect. One cannot impart costs on another without their consent, or proper compensation for damages.

            who is gonna enforce that? lol

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                10 months ago

                courts? you mean a body of a government?

                can’t have that, also once the court has done it’s thing, who’s gonna enforce what the court said? because police is dirty socialism and part of the government.

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                  10 months ago

                  Libertarianism is not opposed to the justice system – in fact, it actually requires it – I point you to the model referred to as a Nightwatchman State. I would also remind you that Libertarianism is not equivelant to Anarchism.

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          11 months ago

          Ok it helps when you read what I wrote not what you want me to have written.

          For the individual I want as much freedom as we can give them. Everything above that I want regulated and I want welfare programs.

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            11 months ago

            For the individual I want as much freedom as we can give them. Everything above that I want regulated and I want welfare programs.

            Okay, so you are a leftist, like me. In fact, you might just be a socialist, or even a communist.

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              11 months ago

              My economic beliefs are: if it works do it, if it doesn’t do not. I don’t trust ideology and I don’t trust economists. Food Stamps work in that people don’t generally starve anymore, the free market works for video games in that people generally can buymore than they would ever hope to play.

              Only do things that work.