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        I’ve been having this argument for over a decade now, so pardon my French, but there are some strong feelings there. And speaking of French “its only anime if it’s japanese” sounds a lot like “its only champagne if it’s from the champagne region of france”, a distinction without a difference.

        IMO describing it as “American anime” describes its visual style/energy/design much better than “(American) Adult Cartoon”

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          That is not how it works. It would be considered “anime-influenced”, but not an actual anime, unless it was either made in Japan or we are just taking the Japanese definition of anime which encompasses all animation.

          “Anime (Japanese: アニメ, IPA: [aɲime] (listen)) is hand-drawn and computer-generated animation originating from Japan. Outside Japan and in English, anime refers specifically to animation produced in Japan.[1] However, in Japan and in Japanese, anime (a term derived from a shortening of the English word animation) describes all animated works, regardless of style or origin. Animation produced outside Japan with similar style to Japanese animation is commonly referred to as anime-influenced animation.”

          https://wikiless.tiekoetter.com/wiki/Anime

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            I think that people are just confused from the language. The word アニメ(anime), in the context of the Japanese language, generally refers to any animation - not just Japanese animation; however, the English transliteration of アニメ, anime, refers specifically to Japanese animation

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            Yes it does work like this, if you create something in clear style, let’s say an impressionist painting it’s still an impressionist painting even if you’re not French. Manga/anime spread through the world and stopped being a Japanese-only style.

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              I think that people are just confused from the language. The word アニメ(anime), in the context of the Japanese language, generally refers to any animation - not just Japanese animation; however, the English transliteration of アニメ, anime, refers specifically to Japanese animation.

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                Perhaps but we are not speaking in Japanese here, in english anime is always referred to as specific style of animation. So an American made anime is still anime and Japanese made cartoon in western style would not be anime even though in Japanese it would be called so. Same with manga and comics. Generally i think it’s a terminology shift in progress because i doubt that in the 80’s anyone in Japan could predict the massive spread of it worldwide. Hell, China right now is producing more manga and probably more anime than Japan (note they name it manhua and donghua but it’s still being called manga and anime usually in english).

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                  Yes, that’s what I’m saying. I agree with you. I just realized that I meant to post my comment to the other commenter.

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                  In English, it is referred to as Japanese animation, not just a specific style. Heck, the style has changed since the early inception, and each anime has its own unique style. The one umbrella that unifies them all is that they are made by Japanese animation studios.

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              You are extrapolating a definition based on different things. I shared the official definition with you. Whatever else you choose to assign the label “anime” to, is just your own subjective views.

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    Michiko to Hatchin is probably the only one I can think of with main characters specifically. Maybe Afro Samurai but I mean…that’s kinda on the nose…

    Japan isn’t very good at depicting Black people unfortunately lol

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      that’s assuming japan even depicts black people. sometimes they pretend black people don’t even exist, if they’re not portraying them in a, well, offensive or yikesy manner.

      so. many. anime characters are light-skinned.

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        Oh yeah that’s a fact…ahem…Mr. Popo…

        At most we’re just a set piece, we don’t have any genuine depictions 😔

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          but wait, it gets even better! when you ask for genuine or better depictions, all the w*ebs and g*mers come out of the woodworks, decrying that japan isn’t netflix 🤪🤪🤪 because decent depictions of black people exist only within netflix’s confines obviously 🤪🤪🤪

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            Or they tell you to go make your own…like damn they have plenty of depictions of actual white people with blonde hair and blue eyes, but they can’t depict Black people properly??

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              Or they tell you to go make your own

              i’ll never get why they say this btw, it’s not as easy as you make it sound to come up with a good story, especially one that’ll be a smash hit too

              but they can’t depict Black people properly??

              nope, because somehow they never “interacted with a black person in their whole life” 🤡🤡🤡

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                Good stories aren’t difficult to make if you have the creativity and the will to make something that doesn’t have to rely on harmful stereotypes for representation. Problem is, there isn’t much incentive to do so cause that’s not profitable, and in the end we all know that’s the reason why anime can be so toxic in a patriarchal and mostly homogeneous society.

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    The only one I ever saw get close that wasn’t Afro Samurai was Samurai Champloo; but Mugen’s lightskinned at best. Depends on how far your headcanon can stretch.

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        For all intensive purposes I feel like it is. What would make it not an anime?

        Art style? Check. Tropes? Check. Etc.

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            No, that is not an essential requirement. It has to be in the style of Japanese shows or movies. Not actually made in Japan. You would know this if you looked up the definition.

            The art style is done by Studio Madhouse, a Japanese animation studio.

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                Why did you cut off the quote.

                “However, in Japan and in Japanese, anime (a term derived from a shortening of the English word animation) describes all animated works, regardless of style or origin. Animation produced outside Japan with similar style to Japanese animation is commonly referred to as anime-influenced animation“

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                  Okay, I thought that we were talking about anime with a perspective outside of Japan, but yeah, if we take a Japanese perspective then every animation is considered anime.

                  But in the second part that you quoted, if we take the perspective of the definition of anime outside of Japan then the Boondocks would be an anime-influenced cartoon, but not an anime itself.

                  Therefore, it depends on which geographical region definition we are using. However, unlike what you mentioned before, using Japanese style does not make a cartoon an anime , it makes it anime-influenced.

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    I haven’t watched it so I can’t speak to its quality but Yasuke on Netflix is loosely based on the historical figure

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    -dotto koni-chan!

    -bobobo bobobobo

    -shaman king (that choco-whatever was african, right?)

    -panty and stocking (with garterbelt)

    -black lagoon

    -fate illya counts?