- cross-posted to:
- politics@beehaw.org
- cross-posted to:
- politics@beehaw.org
The former president and first lady threw their weight behind the presumptive Democratic nominee
Barack and Michelle Obama have endorsed Kamala Harris for the Democratic nomination for president, sharing the news in a joint phone call.
A video released by the campaign suggests the former president and first lady called Harris on Thursday while the vice president was in Houston, where she addressed the American Federation of Teachers and received a briefing on recovery efforts following Hurricane Beryl.
“We called to say, Michelle and I couldn’t be prouder to endorse you and do everything we can to get you through this election and into the Oval Office,” Barack Obama is heard telling Harris in a 55-second video of the call.
“This is going to be historic,” Michelle Obama tells Harris.
I love how with the closing paragraph you directly call everyone plebs if they don’t see it your way.
Yes the conflict is more nuanced but I don’t agree to the equivalencies you make with several other organizations. Groups founded for terror might eveolve to do more, but in the case of Hamas that is just to nurture their human shields and keep them alive enough to Garner outrage when they get bombed.
College level is just a way to describe the level. It does not mean you need to sell your kidneys and get a whole degree. Hell in the US 75% of your classes don’t have anything to do with your actual field. Which is a rant for another day. I find most people online are capable of college level learning, they just need to find the free or cheap courses and time to do them.
Now here’s a fun propaganda bit, “they were founded for terror”. Were they though? Not even AQ was founded with the idea of going straight for violence. Let’s look at Hamas’ origins.
They were founded in 1987 during the first intifada. So right away we have a conflict (or a flare up of the long term conflict) going on. Their name translates as, Islamic Resistance Movement. Their founder had been doing charity work in the occupied territories since at least the six day war in 1967. He was a member of the Muslim Brotherhood and according to him the intent of the group was to act as the local political arm of the Muslim Brotherhood and to counter the rising influence of the violent PIJ. (Palestinian Islamic Jihad).
That doesn’t sound like a group that jumped on the terrorism train from day one to me. It sounds like a reaction to being occupied by a hostile force.
And what did they themselves put in their charter as their reason for Beiing?
Look I understand the situation there is waaayyy more complicated than brown people bad.
The whole region has over the past few millennia been home to people from almost literally all corners of the world. Egyptians, Greeks, Romans, Arabs, and as a passthrough for trade even more.
I don’t have an idea how to solve the issue either. I would think that the 2 groups sharing the whole of the Israël and Palestinian territories fairly… no second class citizens… Open elections. But yeah…
But what I can also see is that the other groups in the region, namely Egypt, Jordan, Syria and Lebanon are also not interested in really helping the Palestinians. Or at least are willing to let them suffer to make a point. Keeping their side of the borders hermetically sealed.
So what then?
Oh, the destruction of Israel. which people take as a call for killing all jews but that isn’t in their charter. And in the update they replaced that with a willingness to settle for a connected Gaza and West Bank Palestinian state. I’m not sure what’s so controversial about saying you want to get rid of the country that’s occupying you?
The rest of your post is just way of giving up on peace. It’s always blowing up, We should do single state instead of the internationally and stakeholder agreed two state, and the neighbors don’t care so why should we?
None of that is helpful to the conversation. Some of it’s not even true, for example there were plenty of peaceful periods. And in the first half of the 1900’s the war that did occur there was brought by outside empires. And again the 1948 conflict was Europeans executing a coup to create an independent settler state. Neighboring countries are always loathe to burden their systems with refugees. And moving to a single state solution is an Israeli propaganda line meant to justify their occupation and settlements.