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  • Like I said,

    Away from the south and the more touristy areas, you’re likely to find people speaking Welsh in everyday life (education, shopping, workplace), rather than just at home.

    If the furthest north you went was Methryr Tydfil, you were never more than 15-20 miles from the M4 corridor, which is where the most strongly English speaking areas are, (apart from South Pembrokeshire and some more touristy bits).

    I’m not surprised that you found mostly English speaking in the mostly English speaking parts of Wales. If you had stayed in East Anglia you might have concluded that England possessed no hills at all, but it might be worth admitting that there’s more to know than that.

    So,

    I just said that you could grow up in Wales never learning Welsh,

    (apart from it being compulsory in Welsh schools)

    because English is just as much (if not more) the language used in every-day dealings

    in the South and more touristy areas, whereas Welsh is the main spoken language in much of the country further North.


  • My central point is just that Welsh is one of the languages of Wales and so can be third on your bullet points.
    I think it’s at the very least rather undiplomatic to argue that it shouldn’t be called a national language of Wales.

    I’ve had people swear blind to me that they visited Wales on holiday and Welsh people are rude because they speak English in the shop until an English person turns up and then they switch to Welsh to exclude the English. I think they were mistaken that English was being spoken before they went in (how would they know?) and just assumed they were speaking English until they started paying attention, when they realised it was Welsh. I’m willing to bet £10 that any such people cannot accurately tell me the content of the English that was being spoken until they “switched to Welsh”.

    Culturally, ignoring Welsh or downplaying its relevance to real people’s lives is similar in offence to telling British people that they don’t speak American properly, that they spell words like colour incorrectly, and that they should stop putting on their absurd British accent and just speak normally.