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Cake day: June 12th, 2023

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  • Things might go bad with federation with Meta and Meta is indeed loathsome and has an awful history and present of being a bad actor — but responding to “You all are operating on emotion” with the bad faith emotional ad hominem response “Why are you so hard for Zucc?” is kind of proving the point.

    I think there’s lots of good arguments around being wary of Meta and defederating (and some good ones in favour of wait and see) but the level of discourse around this issue on here is really not great and too much attacking others (and it’s not just you — the post you’re responding to as well was rude too with “you clearly don’t have a clue what you’re talking about”). The absolutist way people are talking and treating people who have other perspectives has made me feel much less positive about the potential for good discourse and community on this platform.


  • I’m not sure how things are going to go with Meta and federation and EEE could happen and definitely see some of the concerns, but the way people are just pointing to that XMPP article in every thread as some slam dunk argument I think is overstating it. It’s one example and there are lots of other considerations around it and different context that make it so it’s not something that can really be directly mapped onto this situation.

    Things may go south with Meta and federation but the constant pointing to XMPP is not really making a solid argument IMO.

    I think it’s all besides the point anyway. Some servers will federate with Meta and any other big companies that enter the Fediverse. Some wont. Meta is big enough not to care, and the big Masto servers are also going to do what they want to do and allow federation. And if there’s desire from Mastodon users to connect with Threads and follow accounts there people will move to servers that allow that. And then there may be communities that aren’t federated with Meta that are also great and strong. We’ll see how it plays out, but small Masto/Lemmy servers choosing to not Federate I don’t think will have much impact broadly speaking on how this goes. But by the same token if servers don’t want to federate with Meta that’s totally cool too and I respect that as well. We’ll have some parts of the Fediverse in the future that connect with the big platforms and some that don’t. That’s the path we’re on now either way — some will federate, some won’t — and people can choose which part they want to be part of.

    Personally I think the Fediverse and ActivityPub will be more resilient than XMPP and will be durable against EEE. Especially if other players like Tumblr and Wordpress jump in that will strengthen interoperable ActivityPub even more. If people want to not federate with Meta that’s cool and I definitely see some good points around it (but not so much the much heralded XMPP article) but I think the Fediverse will be fine either way and ActivityPub’s future is looking stronger than ever.


  • I may misunderstand how the fediverse and the software works but my understanding is content such as images gets copied over to federated servers and so it seems to me like the ability to defederate would be a requirement in order for servers to stay in compliance with the law and be able to limit various illegal and morally horrible materials from being copied onto their server and network.

    Given that (unless I’m wrong about how this works or there’s another way around it I’m not thinking of), at the end of the day is it really possible to not have the ability to defederate? There will be times when it would be needed it seems to me. Or for malicious bot servers, nazis, etc. — lots of potential reasons a full defederation would be desired or required.


  • For me I disagree. I don’t think apps built on top of the Fediverse/Lemmy/Kbin need to be FOSS. If that’s what you want personally more power to you, but I don’t it’s good to speak negatively towards those who would make another choice (“Imagine using…”).

    I think having non open source apps built on top of open source services is totally fine. I might still choose to use an open source app if all else was equal, but I don’t think an app needs to be. Ivory for Mastodon for instance is a great app but not open source. I don’t think I or anyone needs to hold themselves back from using a good app for the Fediverse just because it’s not also open source. And Ivory’s existenance has IMO benefited the Mastodon ecosystem.

    There’s overhead and responsibility as well when making an app open source, or they need to be more careful about code, or it limits what libraries they can use. I don’t blame devs for not making their projects FOSS depending on their context. Or maybe they start it closed and then move to open source eventually, which I think is what Artemis (app in development) is doing for now because they don’t want to deal with the challenges of open sourcing yet and want to focus on development.

    Let a thousand clients and approaches bloom IMO. We don’t need to be dogmatic about this. It’s amazing that these systems are FOSS, but I don’t think the whole ecosystem needs to or should be necessarily. If you want to use FOSS clients though that’s cool, and if devs build open source or FOSS clients that’s great, but we don’t need to judge those who choose differently or develop them.


  • I know absolutely nothing about how Lemmy works but there’s hopefully some way or will need to be eventually a way to remove old posts from a certain instance. For instance if there is illegal content it would need to be removed. Building a good solution for this that could be done optionally in the defederation process would probably be good and will be necessary at some point anyway.

    For instance you defederate from a nazi server — you’d absolutely want the nazi posts gone from your server. And legally you’d need to potentially depending on where the server was hosted — and of course other kinds of illegal content and networks.

    I’m not sure what the current state of the tools is though.



  • Yeah, putting aside that not everyone has seen TOS who is watching this show, I didn’t interpret this as some kind of attempt to make the audience think Chapel was going to die. The purpose of this happening was all about what it shows about Spock and the scenes and character development that come from that.

    And I think in this case it was quite effective and I wouldn’t change it to something else. Spock was holding off the order and he was really upset because he didn’t want to give the order that kills Chapel and M’Benga (though he has more attachment to Chapel). The threat to their lives is a vital part of this story they’re telling about Spock and it wouldn’t have the same effect if they changed the situation to something else. Seeing him have to give the order, then have them be possibly alive, but then having Chapel seem to be dead and Spock himself bring her back was very powerful for me and I don’t think that could be replaced with something else or a different kind of situation and have the same impact on either Spock or the audience.

    Both the scene in the transporter room and in sick bay later were excellent excellent scenes for Spock and highlights of the episode for me. Ethan Peck’s acting was really strong in those scenes too — I’m so glad to have him playing Spock.


  • Yeah Active and Hot have become basically completely not useful for me. They just show old posts. And new doesn’t show what I’d want either since it doesn’t show posts with lots of activity and it shows a bunch of random stuff. Active has seemed to just show old stuff for the entire time I’ve been on Lemmy. Hot used to be better but Hot seems to have become more static as well for some reason.

    Hopefully this can be fixed and these modes and how they display content updated because I think this has a major impact on Lemmy’s ability to be a Reddit alternative if the main feeds just have the same old posts in them forever.

    Kbin seems to not have this issue in the same way. I prefer the Lemmy interface otherwise though, so I hope this can be improved on Lemmy, but otherwise it’s shifting my use over to kbin when I want to browse.