Ukraine’s population in 2021 was about 43 million, currently, it says that population is 36 million.

This is of course the most optimistic data they have, this is nowhere near truth, let’s look at facts.

Officially, there is 8,1 million migrants, even Wikipedia says this, so that’s instantly 35 million, then the annexations of 4 Oblasts by Russia: Donetsk, Lugansk, Zaporizhzhia and Kherson. From data from 2020, Donetsk Oblast had a population of 4,132 million, Lugansk Oblast 2,136 million, Zaporizhzhia Oblast 1,687 million and Kherson Oblast 1,028 million, when we combine those numbers, we get a number of about 8,483 million, and than we have 27 million!

And this is not counting those who died or missing and idk if they even properly counted Crimea in Russia in population census.

So in short, Ukraine went from a population of about 43 million to less than 27 million in 1 YEAR and UN projects that it will never recover, it seems that phrase to the last Ukrainian is really true, to think that this could have been avoided for them if clown just signed to give Donbas, not join North Atlantic Terrorist Organization and preserve neutrality…

  • @PolandIsAStateOfMind@lemmygrad.ml
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    and UN projects that it will never recover

    Considering the hellish austerity and shock therapy whatever remain of Ukraine are gonna be hit after war, sure as hell they wont. I wonder if someone in the wall street already invented some genius plan to sell that rump to Poland and extract all that from Poland rather than from eternal bankrupt rump.

    • @Cysioland@lemmygrad.ml
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      There were already rumors that Poland ain’t gonna get special privileges in Ukraine after the war so we’re already getting shafted. Slava Ukraini unless it means buying their grain I guess

      • Sure, it is just as our wannabe imperialists sharpened their teeth for the looting of Afghanistan and Iraq, they already seen themselves in the role of imperialist country, but no such thing under USA, vassal must know their place.

        But then again, what they do now is unhinged already.

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      Russia is still capitalist, but do you think that the Russian capitalists have a chance of not doing a neoliberalism on Ukraine after they capture it?

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        Considering that Russia has already in some ways been drifting further and further away from neoliberalism and more toward a traditional industrial capitalism with a strong state sector (though there is still a very disturbing neoliberal mentality in their central bank), and having seen how the war has kind of forced them to go even further in the direction of heavy state intervention in the war-relevant sectors of the economy, i think Ukraine definitely has a better chance of recovery under Russia than under a neoliberal western client regime.

        I have been quite impressed by the speed at which Russia has rebuilt parts of Mariupol, though of course that was also motivated by the Russian government wanting to generate good PR for itself and ingratiate itself with the newly incorporated regions, to show them that it’s worth supporting Russia and they won’t just be left with the destruction. I doubt the Kremlin intends to invest that much effort into every damaged city in Ukraine that they take over, Mariupol is definitely one of the “poster cities”, but it’s still a good sign.

        Obviously it would still be a thousand times better under actual socialism, but for now that doesn’t seem like it’s an option…yet. I still think Russia has a lot of potential to see a socialist resurgence, especially now that they have broken ties with the West, liberalism has severely fallen out of favor and more and more Russians look to China as an example of success.

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          Good points. I would just like to point out (as corroboration of what you said) the level of rebuilding the Russian government has been doing in Chechnya. Apparently visitors to Grozny say that looking at the city, you simply wouldn’t know a war went over it.

          Modern Russia, I would argue, has come to understand something China realized a long time ago: that terrorism is rooted in poverty, and if you want to avoid violence in some region, you need economic development there. (Though China, as a socialist country, can create economic development a lot more effectively).