• @huginn
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    42 months ago

    And the way you don’t bloat your backend?

    Expensive engineers

    • The Doctor
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      82 months ago

      How expensive do we have to be for them to actually listen to us for a change? Or do you mean “expensive consultants?”

      • @huginn
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        62 months ago

        Well yeah this presupposes that management knows what the fuck they’re doing.

        Which is vanishingly rare. It happens sometimes though. I worked at a small 12 man shop that had an engineer CEO who valued doing things right. Very refreshing.

    • SUPAVILLAIN
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      Throwing more bodies at a situation does NOT solve the situation faster or more efficiently; seriously, this shit is the most remedial, 101-level shit in pretty much any field where man-hours are a measuring metric.

      • @dsemy@lemm.ee
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        That’s probably why he wrote “expensive” and not “more”.

      • @huginn
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        22 months ago

        That’s not what I said or even remotely implied.

        If you want a good back end that isn’t bloated you can’t use cheap contractors or junior engineers - you need someone who knows what they’re doing.

        It’s a fight I’m constantly fighting at work. They finally dropped all the super cheap contractors that were trying to hard code a list of 20 identical entries that differed only by a single field. The contractors who thought the peak of architectural design was decomposition of any method more than 5 lines long into confusingly named functions that had an additional 10 layers of decomposition to them. The cheap contractors who thought that documentation was a waste of time and that the code was “self documenting”.

        These contractors weren’t paid to care - I don’t blame them for phoning it in. But if you want a system to work well and be cheap to run you pay your engineers well or inspire such devotion that FOSS is possible.

        But the fact is the overwhelming majority of large, optimized and successful FOSS is funded by megacorps

        • @onlinepersona@programming.dev
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          22 months ago

          The cheap contractors who thought that documentation was a waste of time and that the code was “self documenting”.

          Unfortunately, there are expensive engineers who think the same 😦 I don’t know how they pass technical interviews or probationary periods.

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          • @huginn
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            22 months ago

            Definitely - hiring isn’t easy.

            But you’ll never get value for money from engineers who don’t care, and you have a 0% chance of a cheap contractor caring.

            Again - I don’t blame them. They shouldn’t care. The company clearly doesn’t respect them.

            But it’s a false economy.

            • @onlinepersona@programming.dev
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              22 months ago

              Again - I don’t blame them. They shouldn’t care. The company clearly doesn’t respect them.

              True. Some people aren’t paid enough to care 👍

              But it’s a false economy.

              Is that a typo or a term I don’t know?

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              • @huginn
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                22 months ago

                Not a typo - a false economy is a decision that saves money in the short term but wastes more than it saves in the long term.

                • @onlinepersona@programming.dev
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                  22 months ago

                  Thank you, learned something new!

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        • SUPAVILLAIN
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          says a thing

          “no I didn’t say that thing”

          average day on feddit 🙄

          • @huginn
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            32 months ago

            optimizing backend services is expensive because good engineers are expensive

            um acktually you can’t build services faster by hiring tons of people 🤓🤓

            Reading comprehension: you lack it.