No I don’t. I can’t name a billionaire who doesn’t seem like a villain to me. Why would I make an exception for jewish billionaires? Sounds kind of racist.
i mean this is just disingenuous–Musk is himself literally the richest man alive (or second, idk which), so obviously he doesn’t think being a billionaire is bad and he’s not criticizing Soros for being one. he’s criticizing him because he’s a Jewish billionaire, and Musk is a reactionary who wants the world to be a worse place. if Soros was funding white supremacist projects, Musk wouldn’t give a fuck
No you’re the one being disingenuous. I asked a question, “How does calling a billionaire a villain make you a nazi?” It’s pretty straightforward. If calling George Soros a villain doesn’t make you a nazi, but there’s more context in the case of Elon Musk, that would have been a more insightful response to my question that could have been the start of a different discussion.
But that’s not what @dax@beehaw.org said. Dax said “you don’t think calling a successful jewish guy a villain sounds like antisemitic-nazi nonsense?”
This is an implicit claim that any person, not just Musk, who has an unfavorable view of any successful jewish person is antisemitic. That’s the claim I’m responding to and it has nothing about Musk!
This is an implicit claim that any person, not just Musk, who has an unfavorable view of any successful jewish person is antisemitic. That’s the claim I’m responding to and it has nothing about Musk!
this is a comically literal (and still disingenuous) interpretation of a statement that very obviously applied to the specific context of reactionaries like Elon calling George Soros a villain, because that is literally the entire context of the statement. calling Soros a villain here is unambiguously antisemitic because people like Elon–as reactionaries–object to Soros’s outspokenness and Jewish heritage, not his property of being a billionaire. again: none of these losers would care if he was someone like Peter Thiel, who is not a Jew; honestly, given that Thiel is gay they might even overlook Soros’s heritage for a time if he used his money to promote socially regressive and reactionary projects like Thiel does.
So it’s disingenuous to interpret a statement literally when they are clearly not speaking figuratively? Gotcha
Edit: If it’s my fault for misinterpreting the statement incorrectly, would @dax@dax@beehaw.org chime in and affirm the negative of my misinterpretation? Just say that you think calling George Soros a villain does not in fact sound antisemitic without additional context, thanks. If they can do that, it would put the argument to rest. Otherwise, alayza, you would definitively be the disingenuous one.
I think calling him out specifically, as an individual vs. as a group, is overwhelmingly likely to be coming from a Nazi. Of all the billionaires out there, he seems pretty milquetoast overall, so focusing on him looks so suspicious it’s like an entire firework display of red lights.
Is it possible you just grabbed at Soros off the top of your head and not, say, Rupert Murdoch or Jeff Bezos, but as Soros is neither the wealthiest nor most outspoken, I can only presume your singling out is anti-semitic. If it just so happened you were so unlucky as to think of him first, then I would apologize - but I also think we both know how unlikely that is so as to be pretty laughable.
The thing is, I’m not the one singling George Soros out. Leftists love to shit on billionaires in the most extreme displays, saying “eat the rich” and bringing guillotines to protests, etc. Could care less about that; I don’t think people who rig our economy and society deserve to feel safe. But these same people seem to take exception when anyone mentions Soros.
I won’t claim to understand people’s motives, but a lot of leftist “anti-capitalist” organizations are funded by George Soros. So that may be part of the reason. I doubt the credentials of anyone who calls themselves anti-capitalist when they start picking and choosing which billionaires are okay to criticize.
But I can prove that such leftists do not make exception for George Soros out of a concern for anti-semitism. Where is the pearl clutching when people shit on Mark Zuckerburg? What about the Koch brothers? Leftists love to rant about the Koch brothers, is that antisemitic?
No, I think the truth is that leftists like to defend George Soros because they agree with the nature of the political projects he funds. But it’s ok to make the Koch brothers villains because the nature of their investment in politics is right-wing. Give me a break.
If the context is “are all billionaires villainous”, then sure. That isn’t the context, though. The context is “is this specific billionaire uniquely villainous” - remember, the speaker is an order of magnitude wealthier - that makes it way more likely to be a Nazi attack than a surprise anti-oligarch assessment.
So either you get that now and your question was answered, or you’re arguing in bad faith acting like we don’t see through you and this exhaustingly common nazi enabling rhetorical device.
So either you get that now and your question was answered, or you’re arguing in bad faith
My question didn’t even mention Musk. I asked how in general the action of calling a billionaire a villain makes someone a Nazi. Believe it or not, Musk is irrelevant, because he is not the only person who rightfully calls out Soros and gets accused for antisemitism. There are a lot of random nobodies who don’t have billions of dollars who get called antisemitic just because they hate when already rich and powerful people use their wealth and power to further influence politics at home and abroad. See https://en.prolewiki.org/wiki/George_Soros
Case in point: I am not anywhere close to the wealth of George Soros, yet you call me a Nazi enabler for (justly) calling him a villain. Who is really in bad faith here?
yours didn’t, mine very much so did. I don’t really care about how you were trying to derail from the original topic; you asked the question within the context of the original topic, I answered it, now you’re trying to act like the context was never there. I really just don’t care about what you have to say anymore, tbh
You are, and there’s a “new post” button at the top. Or you can say “regardless of this being musk saying the original thing, can we talk about how billionaires really are just the worst?”
Coming in out of nowhere with only your own axe to grind without any of the rest of us having a concept of why you’re bringing it up just smacks of someone wanting to hate on jews, just like the original guy, which is what I originally answered of your original question.
And I’m sorry, but your non-sequitur at the end had absolutely nothing to do with how this conversation unfolded. Read it again from the top - and I don’t mean your reply to the post, but the actual post itself.
You are, and there’s a “new post” button at the top
Yeah but the comment feature makes it easy to have related discussion in one place.
It’s not a non sequitor. I assumed by the post, you meant that calling George Soros a villain makes you look like a Nazi, regardless of who you are. That’s why Elon Musk looks like a Nazi. This assumption was proven correct in your response.
So by now, the meaning behind my question is beyond being clearly established, so why do you insist on these semantic games instead of sticking to the chain of discussion?
So let’s continue. I thought I made a salient point earlier. If your standard is consistent, why are people who have similar animosity towards other jewish billionaires like the Koch brothers and Mark Zuckerburg not given the same treatment? Why are they not labelled antisemitic?
No I don’t. I can’t name a billionaire who doesn’t seem like a villain to me. Why would I make an exception for jewish billionaires? Sounds kind of racist.
i mean this is just disingenuous–Musk is himself literally the richest man alive (or second, idk which), so obviously he doesn’t think being a billionaire is bad and he’s not criticizing Soros for being one. he’s criticizing him because he’s a Jewish billionaire, and Musk is a reactionary who wants the world to be a worse place. if Soros was funding white supremacist projects, Musk wouldn’t give a fuck
No you’re the one being disingenuous. I asked a question, “How does calling a billionaire a villain make you a nazi?” It’s pretty straightforward. If calling George Soros a villain doesn’t make you a nazi, but there’s more context in the case of Elon Musk, that would have been a more insightful response to my question that could have been the start of a different discussion.
But that’s not what @dax@beehaw.org said. Dax said “you don’t think calling a successful jewish guy a villain sounds like antisemitic-nazi nonsense?” This is an implicit claim that any person, not just Musk, who has an unfavorable view of any successful jewish person is antisemitic. That’s the claim I’m responding to and it has nothing about Musk!
this is a comically literal (and still disingenuous) interpretation of a statement that very obviously applied to the specific context of reactionaries like Elon calling George Soros a villain, because that is literally the entire context of the statement. calling Soros a villain here is unambiguously antisemitic because people like Elon–as reactionaries–object to Soros’s outspokenness and Jewish heritage, not his property of being a billionaire. again: none of these losers would care if he was someone like Peter Thiel, who is not a Jew; honestly, given that Thiel is gay they might even overlook Soros’s heritage for a time if he used his money to promote socially regressive and reactionary projects like Thiel does.
So it’s disingenuous to interpret a statement literally when they are clearly not speaking figuratively? Gotcha
Edit: If it’s my fault for misinterpreting the statement incorrectly, would @dax@dax@beehaw.org chime in and affirm the negative of my misinterpretation? Just say that you think calling George Soros a villain does not in fact sound antisemitic without additional context, thanks. If they can do that, it would put the argument to rest. Otherwise, alayza, you would definitively be the disingenuous one.
I think calling him out specifically, as an individual vs. as a group, is overwhelmingly likely to be coming from a Nazi. Of all the billionaires out there, he seems pretty milquetoast overall, so focusing on him looks so suspicious it’s like an entire firework display of red lights.
Is it possible you just grabbed at Soros off the top of your head and not, say, Rupert Murdoch or Jeff Bezos, but as Soros is neither the wealthiest nor most outspoken, I can only presume your singling out is anti-semitic. If it just so happened you were so unlucky as to think of him first, then I would apologize - but I also think we both know how unlikely that is so as to be pretty laughable.
The thing is, I’m not the one singling George Soros out. Leftists love to shit on billionaires in the most extreme displays, saying “eat the rich” and bringing guillotines to protests, etc. Could care less about that; I don’t think people who rig our economy and society deserve to feel safe. But these same people seem to take exception when anyone mentions Soros.
I won’t claim to understand people’s motives, but a lot of leftist “anti-capitalist” organizations are funded by George Soros. So that may be part of the reason. I doubt the credentials of anyone who calls themselves anti-capitalist when they start picking and choosing which billionaires are okay to criticize.
But I can prove that such leftists do not make exception for George Soros out of a concern for anti-semitism. Where is the pearl clutching when people shit on Mark Zuckerburg? What about the Koch brothers? Leftists love to rant about the Koch brothers, is that antisemitic?
No, I think the truth is that leftists like to defend George Soros because they agree with the nature of the political projects he funds. But it’s ok to make the Koch brothers villains because the nature of their investment in politics is right-wing. Give me a break.
If the context is “are all billionaires villainous”, then sure. That isn’t the context, though. The context is “is this specific billionaire uniquely villainous” - remember, the speaker is an order of magnitude wealthier - that makes it way more likely to be a Nazi attack than a surprise anti-oligarch assessment.
So either you get that now and your question was answered, or you’re arguing in bad faith acting like we don’t see through you and this exhaustingly common nazi enabling rhetorical device.
My question didn’t even mention Musk. I asked how in general the action of calling a billionaire a villain makes someone a Nazi. Believe it or not, Musk is irrelevant, because he is not the only person who rightfully calls out Soros and gets accused for antisemitism. There are a lot of random nobodies who don’t have billions of dollars who get called antisemitic just because they hate when already rich and powerful people use their wealth and power to further influence politics at home and abroad. See https://en.prolewiki.org/wiki/George_Soros
Case in point: I am not anywhere close to the wealth of George Soros, yet you call me a Nazi enabler for (justly) calling him a villain. Who is really in bad faith here?
my brother in Christ the article was about musk calling soros a villain
Yeah but our point of contention had nothing to do with Elon Musk
yours didn’t, mine very much so did. I don’t really care about how you were trying to derail from the original topic; you asked the question within the context of the original topic, I answered it, now you’re trying to act like the context was never there. I really just don’t care about what you have to say anymore, tbh
What, so I’m not allowed to start the discussion that I want to have even if it’s related to the original topic?
Edit: By the way, there’s a difference between providing context and imposing meaning that isn’t there.
You are, and there’s a “new post” button at the top. Or you can say “regardless of this being musk saying the original thing, can we talk about how billionaires really are just the worst?”
Coming in out of nowhere with only your own axe to grind without any of the rest of us having a concept of why you’re bringing it up just smacks of someone wanting to hate on jews, just like the original guy, which is what I originally answered of your original question.
And I’m sorry, but your non-sequitur at the end had absolutely nothing to do with how this conversation unfolded. Read it again from the top - and I don’t mean your reply to the post, but the actual post itself.
Yeah but the comment feature makes it easy to have related discussion in one place.
It’s not a non sequitor. I assumed by the post, you meant that calling George Soros a villain makes you look like a Nazi, regardless of who you are. That’s why Elon Musk looks like a Nazi. This assumption was proven correct in your response.
So by now, the meaning behind my question is beyond being clearly established, so why do you insist on these semantic games instead of sticking to the chain of discussion?
So let’s continue. I thought I made a salient point earlier. If your standard is consistent, why are people who have similar animosity towards other jewish billionaires like the Koch brothers and Mark Zuckerburg not given the same treatment? Why are they not labelled antisemitic?