i mean this is just disingenuous–Musk is himself literally the richest man alive (or second, idk which), so obviously he doesn’t think being a billionaire is bad and he’s not criticizing Soros for being one. he’s criticizing him because he’s a Jewish billionaire, and Musk is a reactionary who wants the world to be a worse place. if Soros was funding white supremacist projects, Musk wouldn’t give a fuck
No you’re the one being disingenuous. I asked a question, “How does calling a billionaire a villain make you a nazi?” It’s pretty straightforward. If calling George Soros a villain doesn’t make you a nazi, but there’s more context in the case of Elon Musk, that would have been a more insightful response to my question that could have been the start of a different discussion.
But that’s not what @dax@beehaw.org said. Dax said “you don’t think calling a successful jewish guy a villain sounds like antisemitic-nazi nonsense?”
This is an implicit claim that any person, not just Musk, who has an unfavorable view of any successful jewish person is antisemitic. That’s the claim I’m responding to and it has nothing about Musk!
This is an implicit claim that any person, not just Musk, who has an unfavorable view of any successful jewish person is antisemitic. That’s the claim I’m responding to and it has nothing about Musk!
this is a comically literal (and still disingenuous) interpretation of a statement that very obviously applied to the specific context of reactionaries like Elon calling George Soros a villain, because that is literally the entire context of the statement. calling Soros a villain here is unambiguously antisemitic because people like Elon–as reactionaries–object to Soros’s outspokenness and Jewish heritage, not his property of being a billionaire. again: none of these losers would care if he was someone like Peter Thiel, who is not a Jew; honestly, given that Thiel is gay they might even overlook Soros’s heritage for a time if he used his money to promote socially regressive and reactionary projects like Thiel does.
So it’s disingenuous to interpret a statement literally when they are clearly not speaking figuratively? Gotcha
Edit: If it’s my fault for misinterpreting the statement incorrectly, would @dax@dax@beehaw.org chime in and affirm the negative of my misinterpretation? Just say that you think calling George Soros a villain does not in fact sound antisemitic without additional context, thanks. If they can do that, it would put the argument to rest. Otherwise, alayza, you would definitively be the disingenuous one.
I think calling him out specifically, as an individual vs. as a group, is overwhelmingly likely to be coming from a Nazi. Of all the billionaires out there, he seems pretty milquetoast overall, so focusing on him looks so suspicious it’s like an entire firework display of red lights.
Is it possible you just grabbed at Soros off the top of your head and not, say, Rupert Murdoch or Jeff Bezos, but as Soros is neither the wealthiest nor most outspoken, I can only presume your singling out is anti-semitic. If it just so happened you were so unlucky as to think of him first, then I would apologize - but I also think we both know how unlikely that is so as to be pretty laughable.
The thing is, I’m not the one singling George Soros out. Leftists love to shit on billionaires in the most extreme displays, saying “eat the rich” and bringing guillotines to protests, etc. Could care less about that; I don’t think people who rig our economy and society deserve to feel safe. But these same people seem to take exception when anyone mentions Soros.
I won’t claim to understand people’s motives, but a lot of leftist “anti-capitalist” organizations are funded by George Soros. So that may be part of the reason. I doubt the credentials of anyone who calls themselves anti-capitalist when they start picking and choosing which billionaires are okay to criticize.
But I can prove that such leftists do not make exception for George Soros out of a concern for anti-semitism. Where is the pearl clutching when people shit on Mark Zuckerburg? What about the Koch brothers? Leftists love to rant about the Koch brothers, is that antisemitic?
No, I think the truth is that leftists like to defend George Soros because they agree with the nature of the political projects he funds. But it’s ok to make the Koch brothers villains because the nature of their investment in politics is right-wing. Give me a break.
i mean this is just disingenuous–Musk is himself literally the richest man alive (or second, idk which), so obviously he doesn’t think being a billionaire is bad and he’s not criticizing Soros for being one. he’s criticizing him because he’s a Jewish billionaire, and Musk is a reactionary who wants the world to be a worse place. if Soros was funding white supremacist projects, Musk wouldn’t give a fuck
No you’re the one being disingenuous. I asked a question, “How does calling a billionaire a villain make you a nazi?” It’s pretty straightforward. If calling George Soros a villain doesn’t make you a nazi, but there’s more context in the case of Elon Musk, that would have been a more insightful response to my question that could have been the start of a different discussion.
But that’s not what @dax@beehaw.org said. Dax said “you don’t think calling a successful jewish guy a villain sounds like antisemitic-nazi nonsense?” This is an implicit claim that any person, not just Musk, who has an unfavorable view of any successful jewish person is antisemitic. That’s the claim I’m responding to and it has nothing about Musk!
this is a comically literal (and still disingenuous) interpretation of a statement that very obviously applied to the specific context of reactionaries like Elon calling George Soros a villain, because that is literally the entire context of the statement. calling Soros a villain here is unambiguously antisemitic because people like Elon–as reactionaries–object to Soros’s outspokenness and Jewish heritage, not his property of being a billionaire. again: none of these losers would care if he was someone like Peter Thiel, who is not a Jew; honestly, given that Thiel is gay they might even overlook Soros’s heritage for a time if he used his money to promote socially regressive and reactionary projects like Thiel does.
So it’s disingenuous to interpret a statement literally when they are clearly not speaking figuratively? Gotcha
Edit: If it’s my fault for misinterpreting the statement incorrectly, would @dax@dax@beehaw.org chime in and affirm the negative of my misinterpretation? Just say that you think calling George Soros a villain does not in fact sound antisemitic without additional context, thanks. If they can do that, it would put the argument to rest. Otherwise, alayza, you would definitively be the disingenuous one.
I think calling him out specifically, as an individual vs. as a group, is overwhelmingly likely to be coming from a Nazi. Of all the billionaires out there, he seems pretty milquetoast overall, so focusing on him looks so suspicious it’s like an entire firework display of red lights.
Is it possible you just grabbed at Soros off the top of your head and not, say, Rupert Murdoch or Jeff Bezos, but as Soros is neither the wealthiest nor most outspoken, I can only presume your singling out is anti-semitic. If it just so happened you were so unlucky as to think of him first, then I would apologize - but I also think we both know how unlikely that is so as to be pretty laughable.
The thing is, I’m not the one singling George Soros out. Leftists love to shit on billionaires in the most extreme displays, saying “eat the rich” and bringing guillotines to protests, etc. Could care less about that; I don’t think people who rig our economy and society deserve to feel safe. But these same people seem to take exception when anyone mentions Soros.
I won’t claim to understand people’s motives, but a lot of leftist “anti-capitalist” organizations are funded by George Soros. So that may be part of the reason. I doubt the credentials of anyone who calls themselves anti-capitalist when they start picking and choosing which billionaires are okay to criticize.
But I can prove that such leftists do not make exception for George Soros out of a concern for anti-semitism. Where is the pearl clutching when people shit on Mark Zuckerburg? What about the Koch brothers? Leftists love to rant about the Koch brothers, is that antisemitic?
No, I think the truth is that leftists like to defend George Soros because they agree with the nature of the political projects he funds. But it’s ok to make the Koch brothers villains because the nature of their investment in politics is right-wing. Give me a break.