Kremlin spokesman Dmitry Peskov was quoted by The New York Times as saying “our presidential election is not really democracy, it is costly bureaucracy. Mr. Putin will be re-elected next year with more than 90 percent of the vote.”
I mean, no need to clarify, we understood correctly the first time already.
Will they just lie when counting the votes or will they also force the russians at gunpoint?
From what I’ve read in the past, my understanding is that:
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There has been pretty strong statistical evidence that there has been a substantial level of vote-rigging, where the reported vote numbers are extraordinarily unlikely to actually come up by chance. ("When Dmitry Kobak and Sergey Shpilkin, two researchers, analysed the results, they found that an unusually high number of turnout and vote-share results were multiples of five (eg, 50%, 55%, 60%), a tell-tale sign of manipulation. According to Messrs Kobak and Shpilkin, there were at least 1,310 polling stations (out of 96,325) with results that were suspiciously tidy, with rounder numbers than you would expect to see by chance. Although it is difficult to pin down precisely how many votes were affected, the researchers estimate that such fraudulent results may have boosted United Russia’s vote share by nearly 20 percentage points. Other, less obvious forms of cheating may have taken place too. ")
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However, aside from this, I’ve also seen material stating that Putin would probably still win a majority vote against the other candidates. That is, it’s not false reporting of voting numbers that’s driving all this.
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A broader issue is that the electoral environment isn’t free and fair. Navalny is in jail, and there were attempts to assassinate him, and people associated with him have been jailed. Nemtsov was assassinated. Independent media is subject to restrictions. It’s hard for serious opposition candidates to make real runs.
To give a more-extreme example, North Korea does, in fact, have elections.
Now, there are some pretty big caveats to these elections.
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The approved candidate is the only option; you simply announce whether you approve or disapprove. Hypothetically, if most people disapproved, there would be another vote and some other candidates would be added.
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The ballot is not a secret one; officials can see how a voter votes, as there are two separate boxes for votes against and votes for.
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The ruling party oversees the candidate selection.
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There’s no independent media.
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And there’s of a history of unpleasant things happening to people who politically clash with the government.
https://www.nbcnews.com/news/world/kim-jong-un-wins-100-votes-north-korea-election-n49011
North Korea’s state media confirmed on Monday what was surely never in doubt — a 100 percent, no-abstention victory for leader Kim Jong Un in the country’s stage-managed parliamentary election.
But in theory, there’s nobody with a gun making someone vote at the ballot box. Hypothetically, you could vote in opposition.
Now, I could easily believe that someone, in fact, did vote in opposition somewhere in the country and it wasn’t reported, but point is, it’s not false reporting of vote numbers that is the dominant factor in structuring things such that the people in power are going to stay in power in North Korea.
Russia isn’t as extreme a case, but same point: it’s not simply that elections work the way they do in random country that has an open political environment and then someone lies about the numbers. There are a number of processes going on.
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Why not both?
They have been stuffing ballot boxes for decades.
Yeah, there are endless videos from the last 10 years on the internet/YouTube that blatantly shows people doing it.
Maybe other candidates go for a window altitude sky dive
Won’t they die if they don’t vote for him? #defenestration
Like Colbert said…
Do you want to join Russia?
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Most authoritarian regimes have one or multiple accepted opposition parties that disagree on minor things, but will back off if the government wants it. So they can pretend that there is a democracy going on, and see who goes to these parties. Better to have an eye on people opposing than have them operate where you may not see them.
A personal opinion… They already printed the newspaper…
Costly bureaucracy… just save the money for the vote and build drones instead /s
In the brilliant 1969 Hungarian movie The Witness that satirises Stalinist Hungary of the 1950s, the protagonist is called as a witness in a show trial against a former communist functionary. In the scene before the trial he was supposed to be handed his bogus testimony so that he can memorise it, but he’s accidentally given the verdict instead.
Somehow this spokesman reminded me of this scene, not sure why…
Sounds like Sergey Naryshkin during that pre-invasion event with Putin, where Putin was trying to get all the high-ranking people publicly committed to the invasion, and instead of endorsing recognition of LNR/DNR independence, Naryshkin endorsed their annexation. Wrong order on the scripts.
Russia must be falling apart. A few years back any result under 120% would have been disappointing.
Get those balloons ready, gotta cover those video cameras
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Spoilers!
I’ll get the dustpan for the window bits.
Nailed it!
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How the hell is that relevant to the topic, troll?
What topic?
