Ah yes, vote them out by voting for what candidates? People that use the same rhetoric you’re using also deploy it in “electability pragmatism” during primaries to cull any further left candidates because it “will alienate moderates” in generals. Then you do this stupid shit of eating a turd sandwich and saying next time you’re definitely going to get what you ordered without doing anything different. And that’s all assuming any alternatives aren’t immediately torpedoed by incredible spending differences due to corporate and party backing

Uh, duh? So start replacing them at the base levels and change our foundation? I didn’t say to keep voting for them locally?

Right that’s not going to work. But if you are wed to a failing electoralist strategy that will fail it is better to commit to it so that you can observe that failure sooner.

Do what work?

The work of building socialist organizations.

What’s the plan??

To build the size and quality of socialist organizations until they reach a large enough size to make demands that require real responses. Escalation. And to then depose the capitalist system via the means available to us. And before that, to survive the violence coming for us as conditions degrade and we are not yet big enough.

Are you running for local government where you are?

Why would I?

ALL CAREER POLITICIANS ARE “GENOCIDERS” from what I have seen so far in my life on this planet.

That’s right.

This is why normally I will not vote for a major 2 party candidate. I want to be able to vote again in the future, so I’m willing to do my best to try and make that happen.

What’s the point of your vote if you use it to support genocide? When politicians aren’t really answerable to their voters in the first place? When you have always voted third party, i.e. made your vote into a statement? Instead, just actually be against genocide. Tell others to not support genocide. Do actually helpful political work.

What are you actually saying and doing?

Building socialist and anti-imperialist organizations that are in solidarity with Palestinians. Educating the public. Running BDS campaigns. Materially contributing directly to Gazans.

No where have i found a coherent cohesive plan for us citizens to unite and change this major issue.

The vast majority of people are not organized and are not politically educated. They can’t demand anything because they don’t know what to demand nor do they have discipline to shed the propaganda handed to them by the two major parties. This “left” won’t even withold their votes! Why would anyone ever take them seriously? You must build leverage and make credible threats to have political power.

This starts with the basics of organizing and of political education.

What’s our truly viable recourse here?

The most viable course to stop genocide in Palestine will come from overseas by people actually fighting Israel or undermining its sponsor’s (America’s) ability to isolate and weaken resistance actors. Multipolarity and a decline of the US itself that this would necessarily entail due to the economic system it has maintained. We can help this by helping those doing resistance work and by educating each other. We can minimize the harms of a declining empire by building against militarism locally. Don’t support weapons manufacturers, picket them and make life more expensive for them. Kick their unions out of labor orgs. Fight against the racism and xenophobia that liberals will be embracing evet more in order to justify their warhawk policies.

With organization, you will see escalations and overreactions that build organizations. The Biden admin wanted to ban TikTok because they did not hide the genocidal violence. We should be able to build from these kinds of reactions, all it will take is repeated attempts until it snowballs. Build, act, receive reaction, build from the reaction, act, etc etc.

Please explain like I am 5.

I can’t sorry but please don’t hesitate to ask questions.

First of all, no one except for straw-anarchists are saying not to vote. Everyone who objects to Harris says to vote third party. Of course, some people will respond to what’s going on by not voting, but we (leftists) encourage them to vote instead.

There is no viable risk, a plurality of people already either don’t vote or vote third party, the people like me are already accounted for since I wasn’t about to support neoliberals anyway and have already voted third party.

So the only ones left are people who are just starting to vote third party. Let me say simply there is no way for us to just speak into existence a new voting bloc of around 15% of the population of the entire state to spoil your favored cop’s chances of winning. If things were that easy, we could have a communist President within, like, 3 election cycles. No, things move much more slowly than that because you can’t just manifest “Well what if everyone laid down their arms voted for Elizabeth Warren?” on a population like you made a magic wish.

The voteblue philosophy is one of fear, of an overriding fear even at things that are impossible in material reality, and using that fear as an excuse to never fight for someone who is better than center-right while always promising that on some future day we will finally have something better. It’s a psychological hamster wheel, you’ll keep running on it forever and never make progress, so the only solution is to get off.

You will start from square zero either way. They don’t care about you or listen to you. One of the reasons they don’t need to is that there is no organized, disciplined opposition. Dems expect vaguely left people to fall in line, they don’t even pander most of the time. Look at the DNC where they brought in an Israeli to speak, denied a Palestinian, and brought in the daughter of a Contra to lie about Sandinistas. They didn’t even try pandering. They could have picked a comprador Palestinian to say some both sides BS but instead gave you the middle finger and lied about a ceasefire.

Square zero is organizing. You will have to organize just as much in 4 years. Dems will not slow or stop the degradation of conditions, their neoliberal policies are driving that process. And if there is no left, this only fuels an ascendant right. Every election is going to be “the most important one of your life” for the foreseeable future and Dems will be complicit in this. Our only hope is to organize a left opposition as quickly as possible. Part of that requires shedding the false idea that telling people to vote for genociders is helping. It isn’t. It just normalizes genocide.

Genuinely, with no wish to sound snarky or get an “own”: That awful feeling is your conscience and gut telling you that this is both terribly unnatural and entering dangerous territory, respectively. Regardless of how this election goes, the US and it’s vassals are going to get more fascist, and we are all going to be asked, politely at first, to go along with more and more atrocities. The sooner we stop swallowing our humanity and start listening to the blaring alarms in our minds that this is all wrong, the safer everyone will be.

Backseat cheerleading genociders, and telling other people to do so, is not helping. It makes you complicit and spreads a false and anemic idea of how political power works. You should be fighting them, not doing mental gymnastics for how you can still justify supporting genociders.

There is nothing strategic in what you are describing, it is actually self-defeating and this is why you are told this logic from on high.

As I originally said, join an org and fo actual work against genociders. Be part of the solution, not part of the genocide-excusing problem.

you: “Yes you absolutely should tacitly support genocide. If you don’t tacitly support genocide then you’re an accelerationist.”

There are other candidates you can vote for that are vastly lesser evils than both the fascist democrats and fascist republicans; candidates who are not actively funding and perpetrating genocide but actually, get this, opposing it. If instead of voting for one of those, you still choose to support a party committing genocide, you aren’t just an accelerationist and wrong, you’re fucking despicable, evil.

You said to Organize and admit a genocide is occurring, while not letting yourself be convinced that voting is the only course of action.

Of course voting is not the only course of action. Voting is incredibly little. What, you check a box? Maybe wait a few hours at most to get into a pilling station? Dear God.

This is an incredibly limited amount of political action, particularly given the way in which box checking translates into any political action (electoral college, media monopolies, biased education, wage slavery limiting political education, campaigns built on donations from capital).

I’m saying that’s awesome but what do we do when trump gets elected because no one wants to vote now?

You actually do political work. You become educated and join an organization that does more than act as a sheepdog that turns alienatuon into genocide votes.