Wayland and audio is fixed, but only on the canary branch for the moment, this isnt lazy either, they changed the whole screenshare flow to suit linux’s permission prompts

      • ubergeek@lemmy.todayEnglish
        2·
        5 hours ago

        Zulip has been around for a loooong time. It integrates well with Jitsi, and is fully self-hostable.

        • HATEFISH@midwest.social
          2·
          6 hours ago

          No screen share and there seems to be a reluctance to add/address requests for it. They add that and I can get my whole community to switch. Until then it’s not happening.

        • Mactan@lemmy.ml
          6·
          18 hours ago

          I so wish there was matrix protocol for voice rooms and a good reference implementation but sadly there are neither

          • unexposedhazard@discuss.tchncs.de
            3·
            7 hours ago

            How long has it been since you used element/matrix? Serious question because the new element call stack is now finally released in element stable, as of a few patches ago. (It still only shows up as the “video rooms” feature that u have to enable in the labs/beta settings)

            Its much cleaner than before and properly supports screensharing, adjusting individual user volumes and more. The previous jitsi based voice rooms were somewhat lacking i admit but they have been functional for years.

            That was the last thing that kind of kept me from fully endorsing matrix but now it does all that really important stuff. The new mobile ElementX client also supports the new call system but its overall lacking compared to the normal mobile client which does not support it.

            But for desktop use i dont have any complains anymore about matrix really.

            • Mactan@lemmy.ml
              1·
              6 hours ago

              not that I dig into it very far but I check maybe once a year to find out if any of the features I want made it into matrix protocol yet and they always seem stalled

          • ILikeBoobies@lemmy.ca
            11·
            18 hours ago

            I wouldn’t say discord is either of those things

            They need to limit server sizes, get rid of community searching, and add #XXXX to the end of usernames before we can pretend that

            • Tattorack@lemmy.world
              2·
              12 hours ago

              Wouldn’t limiting server sizes and getting rid of community searching be removing features? Why would anyone want that?

              And Discord used to have #XXXX at the end of usernames.

              • ILikeBoobies@lemmy.ca
                12·
                3 hours ago

                Why would anyone want that?

                1 they aren’t pedos

                2 they want an app to talk to their friends with

                3 they don’t want to be victims of misinformation campaigns

                And Discord used to have #XXXX at the end of usernames.

                Yeah it was better, it meant if you were being stalked you could just have the numbers changed. Now you need a completely different alias with the only purpose to be discouraging victims from getting help

                • Tattorack@lemmy.world
                  1·
                  2 hours ago

                  1- What does that have to do with anything?

                  2- Then make a private server for just your friends.

                  3- Then make a private server for just your friends.

                  And no, it wasn’t better. Just… different.

      • GHiLA@sh.itjust.works
        374·
        1 day ago

        Centralized social media. Poison of the masses. If they control the pullpit, they control the congregation. Tale as old as time.

        • ILikeBoobies@lemmy.ca
          21·
          18 hours ago

          It’s reach not centralization

          You’d think Lemmy would’ve taught you that by now

      • onlooker@lemmy.ml
        241·
        1 day ago

        The founder’s shady history with OpenFeint, their entire privacy policy and shit like this, take your pick. Wikipedia also has an entire section dedicated to Discord’s controversies. No matter how you look at it, Discord has a great many shortcomings.

        • hobbsc@lemmy.sdf.orgEnglish
          5·
          1 day ago

          i agree with your points but wanted to mention that binding arbitration is bullshittery that most large companies do by default these days. sign a cell phone contract, streaming/cable service, utility bill, whatever. there’s probably an arbitration clause right in the fine print.

        • .Donuts@lemmy.world
          115·
          1 day ago

          These articles are very old and not super relevant any more. Sources of 2018 and 2019, while a lot has changed over the years.

          I’m not here to “defend” Discord and pretend it’s all gravy, but if you want to make a compelling argument, I think it’s a good idea to stick to current, factual information.

          • index@sh.itjust.works
            63·
            1 day ago

            These articles are very old and not super relevant any more. Sources of 2018 and 2019, while a lot has changed over the years.

            Did you even read them? They changed for worst all the points remain.

            • .Donuts@lemmy.world
              77·
              1 day ago

              Which got worse? Feel free to show me an example. I’ll try to investigate and find out its merits.

              It must be said that that site also considers browsers like Firefox and Vivaldi to be at a high level of being spyware. I think it’s important to understand that Discord doesn’t do things much differently than other platforms, other than not having any 3rd party ads.

                • .Donuts@lemmy.world
                  186·
                  1 day ago

                  You see a couple of orange lines. You think, well that’s okay, it’s up most of the time? This isn’t helpful. Discord needs to be up all of the time if it wants me to take it seriously. I understand that writing code is hard, and I’m aware that I sound demanding here, but I just cannot adopt Discord for communicating if I cannot rely on it to be available when I need it now. If it’s down for half an hour, that’s not a long time in the big picture, but it’s a long time in the moment when I have a message that I need to send right then.

                  (emphasis mine). Ah yes, another blog by a user that thinks everything revolves around their experience.

                  I would love to act in good faith, but you’re not making it easy linking this drivel. Because I don’t want to make you feel like I’m fishing for sources, let me expand some points in the original link to talk about:

                  Discord contains features which allow integration with other spyware platforms

                  Discord contains the opt-in spyware feature known as “social media integration.” This allows you to sync your persistent user identity on Discord with your persistent user identity on other spyware platforms, such as Facebook and Twitter. In its privacy policy[1], Discord has confirmed that if you opt in to this spyware feature, Discord will obtain an undisclosed amount of access to information obtained about you by the spyware platforms that you choose to sync with.

                  Ah yes, very scary. Connecting your account with other platforms to show your profile.

                  Discord uses its process logging for advertising

                  That the process logging features of Discord are now being recorded on Discord’s servers as a form of telemetry (spyware), and removes speculation about why this feature exists. It is clarified by Discord that this spyware feature is used for advertising to its users.[8] This means that Discord is recording the programs you have open to build a statistical model of what programs you might buy/license in the future.

                  The “advertising” in question:

                  We use certain information to personalize our services. This includes features like customizing your experience on our discovery surfaces, highlighting activity on Discord that may interest you, and surfacing Discord features and promotions from us and our partners that may be of interest to you. For example, we may use information about who you interact with to rank a Friend who you interact with often higher in the “Active Now” section of your Friends List.

                  Discord tries to force some users to give their Telephone numbers

                  Discord will lock users out of its service and will not allow them to continue using it without giving their phone number or contacting Discord support. This is especially true for TOR users. This kind of feature is designed to extract very personal information out of its users (phone numbers). The criteria for locking out users isn’t known

                  Usually this is a server (community) - side setting, but Discord also forces it when they think you are a spammer or malicious actor. Pretending it’s to collect phone number is a bit out there. Also, 2FA has been a thing since forever.

                  Lastly, there’s probably the argument of selling our personal data:

                  We don’t sell your personal information. Our business is based on subscriptions and paid products, not from selling your personal information to third parties.

                  We make money from paid subscriptions and the sale of digital (and sometimes physical) goods, not from selling your personal information to third parties.

                  We do not sell the personal data of our users or share personal data for targeted advertising purposes.

                  No sale or “share” of personal information: The CCPA sets forth certain obligations for businesses that sell or “share” personal information. We do not sell or share the personal information of our users as defined in the CCPA.

                  This is a legal document that they will get in trouble for if they were lying. They’ve already been fined hundreds of thousands of euros for GDPR violations but that curiously did not include a fine for “took people’s personal information and then sold them without consent whilst explicitly saying they didn’t do that”

                  Discord further has no third party advertisements which they can use to “sell” your data by allowing those advertisements to target you.