you see, these 2 are equally as bad because a german that doesn’t speak a word of mandarin and has not ever visited china provided me a satellite picture of a big building and wrote a fan fiction about it.
No bro, the real genocide, the one that doesn’t have a single piece of photographic or video evidence, where no probes have found any evidence, and where the allegedly victimized population has seen their standards of living rise enormously and the previously ubiquitous violence has all but stopped.
If the palestine genocide were a real one surely Blinken would have condemned it like he did the one they fabricated saw in Xinjiang.
The students in Tiananmen Square did get exactly what they deserved. A safe evacuation after the fighting in the streets surrounding the square got too intense.
A fabrication? Did you even read that pdf? I quote:
Serious human rights violations have been committed in XUAR in the context of the
Government’s application of counter-terrorism and counter-“extremism” strategies. The
implementation of these strategies, and associated policies in XUAR has led to interlocking
patterns of severe and undue restrictions on a wide range of human rights. These patterns of
restrictions are characterized by a discriminatory component, as the underlying acts often
directly or indirectly affect Uyghur and other predominantly Muslim communities.
I was agreeing with them, I posted the conclusion to show people they’ve not commited war crimes, just “serious human rights violations”. Sorry if my intentions didn’t come through in my comment.
That has no mention of a war that has China as a belligerent, can you specify which war you think these crimes are occurring as part of? and specify them?
Ok, but there is a difference between the two, and no one here said China hasn’t committed serious human rights violations, they have and I condemn it like I condemn all serious human right violations including those committed by the US and it’s allies, domestically and in the numerous recent and ongoing invasions, wars and conflicts they’ve started, in addition to their war crimes
You can watch this and look for any evidence of your claim. You wont see any. Or you can take my word for it when i tell you i literally spoke to a uyghur from Xinjiang on XHS the other day and they were chillin enjoying life.
Either way maybe dont just take the word of whatever Western Media mouthpieces tell you?
the UN, it addition to numerous countries including those with a Muslim majority population have investigated and concluded that the claims of genocide are a fabrication
The claims of genocide that appear in western media can be traced back to single source; Adrian Zenz a german christian fundamentalist who is on a self described ‘holy war to destroy China’ and writes books such has ‘Worthy to Escape: Why All Believers Will Not Be Raptured Before the Tribulation,’
Do you really believe this nutjob is a more reliable source on events in Xinjiang than the UN’s Office of Human Rights?
Please read the entire article and don’t just cheery pick the things that fit your pre-conceived notions
Stop moving the goalposts, my claim is that their is no genocide, the only source you quote alleges serious human rights violations, that while obviously terrible(and I condemn them, just as I condemn the US’s similar but greater and larger in scale abuses committed at Abu Ghraib, Guantanamo Bay, CIA blacksites etc), are not synonymous with genocide
Which sources on that page present evidence of genocide? if any such source exists why didn’t you quote them?
I agree with the UN when they concluded that there is no genocide in Xinjiang
From the UN definition you supplied, one of condition that needs to be met;
A mental element: the intent to destroy, in whole or in part, a national, ethnical, racial or religious group
So lets compare the fabrication with a real genocide such as the ongoing one in Gaza, they’re are numerous statements from the Israeli government that declare such a genocidal intent, such as “Gazan civilians participated in the horrific events of October 7” “there are no innocent civilians there”
“I have ordered a complete siege on the Gaza Strip. There will be no electricity, no food, no fuel, everything is closed. We are fighting human animals and we are acting accordingly.”
- Israeli Minister of Defense Yoav Gallant
I’ll repeat I don’t deny that China has committed human rights abuses, but I concur with the UN OHCR that they fall far, far short of the definition legal and otherwise, of genocide
For this one condition to meet the definition, could you provide sources that show such a callous and widespread intent to wipe the Uyghurs off the face off the earth from the Chinese government similar to those from Israeli state for it’s current genocide of Palestinians in Gaza?
Yeah, not really comparable when it comes to war crimes. If someone wanted to conflate a topic that makes both countries look similarly bad in an honest light, it would be the treatment of ethnic minorities.
You mean the US having the highest prison population in the world, to the point of 1 in 5 black men over 30 having been to jail at some point of their lives?
That would not be an honest light. China actually takes their affirmative action seriously and not just pays lip service to it while continuing to enact genocidal policies like the US still does on the indigenous peoples of the mainland and occupied Hawai’i which has been gentrified and settled to the point of being unlivable for most of the locals.
The claims of China’s abuse of ethnic minorities are a scam espoused by the same people profitting off the genocide in Palestine. Anybody who takes the evidence seriously instead of treating accusations as trustworthy because of the volume of them doesn’t understand (or chooses to ignore) how the US propaganda machine has always worked.
People still on that “China genocide” bs are about as ridiculous as people claiming Iraq had WMDs into the Obama years. It’s a level of gullibility so big that it has to be voluntary.
enact genocidal policies like the US still does on the indigenous peoples of the mainland and occupied Hawai’i which has been gentrified and settled to the point of being unlivable for most of the locals.
And the same has been said about tibet, inner Mongolia, and xinjiang. I mean you can look at Chinas own census data and see that han Chinese are migrating to cities in xinjiang, displacing ethnic minorities to move away from their cultural cities.
The claims of China’s abuse of ethnic minorities are a scam espoused by the same people profitting off the genocide in Palestine. Anybody who takes the evidence seriously instead of treating accusations as trustworthy because of the volume of them doesn’t understand (or chooses to ignore) how the US propaganda machine has always worked.
You are conflating the accusations of genocide in one region with the accusations of ethnic discrimination. Even in that grey zone article it is conflating the study from some weird neocon group with all investigations into ethnic discrimination in China.
Han chauvinism is an established concept that even Mao took aims to curtail. Something they are still combating considering there has only been one ethnic minority to serve in the central committee in the last 35 years.
An actual criticism that I have about Xi is that he is a bit culturally conservative. The belt and road initiative utilized a lot of han centric language and the current central committee is notably the first committee that has no women serving on it in the last +25 years.
The US drops 46 bombs per day
China hasn’t been in an active war in 46 years
you see, these 2 are equally as bad because a german that doesn’t speak a word of mandarin and has not ever visited china provided me a satellite picture of a big building and wrote a fan fiction about it.
Yeah like wtf is this lmao, apparently “war crime” is now when bad country does bad thing
Well Americans are certainly telling Chinese users that their government is committing warcrimes like the meme says
In which war lol?
Exactly lol
Genocide?
Yeah, that is indeed one of the grab bag of accusations that Americans are hurling.
palestine?
No bro, the real genocide, the one that doesn’t have a single piece of photographic or video evidence, where no probes have found any evidence, and where the allegedly victimized population has seen their standards of living rise enormously and the previously ubiquitous violence has all but stopped.
If the palestine genocide were a real one surely Blinken would have condemned it like he did the one they
fabricatedsaw in Xinjiang.Uyghur genocide
Saddam’s WMDs
Sandinistas killing babies
? The UN has thoroughly investigated and concluded that the ‘Uyghur genocide’ is a fabrication https://www.ohchr.org/en/documents/country-reports/ohchr-assessment-human-rights-concerns-xinjiang-uyghur-autonomous-region I suggest you read it rather than have it filtered through biased western media orgs, and I trust their investigation a lot more than those from countries like the US that have a vested interest in painting China as negatively as possible
Even if the propaganda were true it would constitute a crime against humanity not a war crime, unless you consider the ETIM terror campaign a ‘war’
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The students in Tiananmen Square did get exactly what they deserved. A safe evacuation after the fighting in the streets surrounding the square got too intense.
LOL when a liberal doesnt know that lemmy was literally created by a group pf “eeviill tankies” in the first place.
Oh noes, the ebil gommunist seeseepee tankies!!!1!
How dare they stand for the truth that even the Arab League didn’t find China commiting genocide or oppressing the people of Xinjiang and disproving the now abandoned false narrative about Tiananmen Square.
No no no, your views should thoroughly align with the US state department. CHINA IS EBIL!!!
Bye, won’t be missed
A fabrication? Did you even read that pdf? I quote:
So, no mention of genocide?
Sure, it’s all rosy. :)
No one’s said there’s not problems and criticisms to be made, but there just isn’t a genocide no matter how much your narrative requires one
Here you have comment, from this thread, of someone saying there’s basically no problems: https://lemmy.ml/comment/16144139
Denial of racism and abuse by the Chinese state is rampant here on Lemmy, don’t pretend otherwise.
Oh and please don’t assume my narrative. I hate the US more.
You believe that china is engaging in a genocide first hand?(as opposed to simply supplying the perpetrators like the US )
And still hate the US more? do you live near a strong magnetic source? cause your moral compass is out of whack
Seriously though if you don’t have a inherent bias against China, then why do you think their engaging in a genocide of Uyghurs with no evidence?
Yep, no war crimes 👍
It’s true, your screenshot shows no war crimes. You failed at sarcasm.
I was agreeing with them, I posted the conclusion to show people they’ve not commited war crimes, just “serious human rights violations”. Sorry if my intentions didn’t come through in my comment.
That has no mention of a war that has China as a belligerent, can you specify which war you think these crimes are occurring as part of? and specify them?
I’m agreeing with you, the CCP hasn’t commited any war crimes, just “serious human rights violations”
Ok, but there is a difference between the two, and no one here said China hasn’t committed serious human rights violations, they have and I condemn it like I condemn all serious human right violations including those committed by the US and it’s allies, domestically and in the numerous recent and ongoing invasions, wars and conflicts they’ve started, in addition to their war crimes
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UiEhITvJuyE
You can watch this and look for any evidence of your claim. You wont see any. Or you can take my word for it when i tell you i literally spoke to a uyghur from Xinjiang on XHS the other day and they were chillin enjoying life.
Either way maybe dont just take the word of whatever Western Media mouthpieces tell you?
All vloggers are paid by CPC, every Chinese you meet on the internet are bots. /s
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“It’s well-documented!”
“May I see the documents?”
“…No.”
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source?
the UN, it addition to numerous countries including those with a Muslim majority population have investigated and concluded that the claims of genocide are a fabrication
The claims of genocide that appear in western media can be traced back to single source; Adrian Zenz a german christian fundamentalist who is on a self described ‘holy war to destroy China’ and writes books such has ‘Worthy to Escape: Why All Believers Will Not Be Raptured Before the Tribulation,’
Do you really believe this nutjob is a more reliable source on events in Xinjiang than the UN’s Office of Human Rights?
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Please read the entire article and don’t just cheery pick the things that fit your pre-conceived notions
Stop moving the goalposts, my claim is that their is no genocide, the only source you quote alleges serious human rights violations, that while obviously terrible(and I condemn them, just as I condemn the US’s similar but greater and larger in scale abuses committed at Abu Ghraib, Guantanamo Bay, CIA blacksites etc), are not synonymous with genocide
Which sources on that page present evidence of genocide? if any such source exists why didn’t you quote them?
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I agree with the UN when they concluded that there is no genocide in Xinjiang
From the UN definition you supplied, one of condition that needs to be met;
So lets compare the fabrication with a real genocide such as the ongoing one in Gaza, they’re are numerous statements from the Israeli government that declare such a genocidal intent, such as “Gazan civilians participated in the horrific events of October 7” “there are no innocent civilians there”
“I have ordered a complete siege on the Gaza Strip. There will be no electricity, no food, no fuel, everything is closed. We are fighting human animals and we are acting accordingly.” - Israeli Minister of Defense Yoav Gallant
And here’s a database of 500 statements of genocidal intent from Israeli government leaders
I’ll repeat I don’t deny that China has committed human rights abuses, but I concur with the UN OHCR that they fall far, far short of the definition legal and otherwise, of genocide
For this one condition to meet the definition, could you provide sources that show such a callous and widespread intent to wipe the Uyghurs off the face off the earth from the Chinese government similar to those from Israeli state for it’s current genocide of Palestinians in Gaza?
Yeah, not really comparable when it comes to war crimes. If someone wanted to conflate a topic that makes both countries look similarly bad in an honest light, it would be the treatment of ethnic minorities.
You mean the US having the highest prison population in the world, to the point of 1 in 5 black men over 30 having been to jail at some point of their lives?
That would not be an honest light. China actually takes their affirmative action seriously and not just pays lip service to it while continuing to enact genocidal policies like the US still does on the indigenous peoples of the mainland and occupied Hawai’i which has been gentrified and settled to the point of being unlivable for most of the locals.
The claims of China’s abuse of ethnic minorities are a scam espoused by the same people profitting off the genocide in Palestine. Anybody who takes the evidence seriously instead of treating accusations as trustworthy because of the volume of them doesn’t understand (or chooses to ignore) how the US propaganda machine has always worked.
People still on that “China genocide” bs are about as ridiculous as people claiming Iraq had WMDs into the Obama years. It’s a level of gullibility so big that it has to be voluntary.
And the same has been said about tibet, inner Mongolia, and xinjiang. I mean you can look at Chinas own census data and see that han Chinese are migrating to cities in xinjiang, displacing ethnic minorities to move away from their cultural cities.
You are conflating the accusations of genocide in one region with the accusations of ethnic discrimination. Even in that grey zone article it is conflating the study from some weird neocon group with all investigations into ethnic discrimination in China.
Han chauvinism is an established concept that even Mao took aims to curtail. Something they are still combating considering there has only been one ethnic minority to serve in the central committee in the last 35 years.
An actual criticism that I have about Xi is that he is a bit culturally conservative. The belt and road initiative utilized a lot of han centric language and the current central committee is notably the first committee that has no women serving on it in the last +25 years.