• samus12345@lemm.ee
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      That permit is worth as much to them as the original piece of paper in the scene.

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      That word doesn’t mean anything to him, except as a tool to prosecute people he doesn’t like. Obviously laws and illegality don’t mean shit when it’s him breaking the law.

      Pretty sure there is enough evidence for treason at this point, but Congress won’t act on it.

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        That word doesn’t mean anything to him

        “Illegal” as in “illegal immigrants”. It’s a connotation word, it doesn’t mean anything on its own obviously.

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      Well he also did an executive order, that only he is allowed to interpret the law, so… Whatever he feels like is illegal is illegal.

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      That’s the weasel word that lets the right know exactly what he means but still able to pretend like it isn’t what he means.

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    What’s our over/under for how long until the executive order that conveniently pushes the boundaries of what “illegal” is.

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      Next time an american speaks about “muh first amendment”, “USA only free speech country in the world” bullshit, show them this

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        The problem is it cuts both ways. The Democrats saying they want hate speech to not be protected and Nazi propaganda to be censored is just the flipside of the same coin.

        Either you have free speech or you don’t

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            If it has a limit, it’s not free

            If I can’t do a Nazi salute, then I can’t say “I want to shoot Donald Trump in the face”

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              If it has a limit, it’s not free

              “Free bread sticks”

              “I’ll take 100”

              “Um… No. You can’t have that many.”

              “iF tHeRe’S a LiMiT iT’s NoT fReE!”

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                Don’t be pedantic. A limit would be “free breadsticks only if you decide to pray to our god in front of us.”

                If you say unlimited and then put a limit on it, that is illegal, as Verizon and AT&T found out in court

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                  If you say unlimited and then put a limit on it

                  When did the American Constitution promise “Unlimited Speech”?

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                The phrase “shouting fire in a crowded theater” is outdated and legally irrelevant to modern free speech discussions. Its origin from Schenck v. United States (1919) was overturned by Brandenburg v. Ohio (1969), which set a much higher standard for restricting speech. Modern First Amendment doctrine protects almost all speech unless it directly incites imminent violence or crime.

              • MisanthropiCynic@lemm.ee
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                No, because it is unconstitutional to put someone under oath

                By definition, it means a solemn promise that is beholden to a deity therefore it is illegitimate in court and law by the First Amendment.

                You probably also think it should not be legal to kill people that break into your house to steal your TV.

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                  Fair enough. I think the discussion ends there; I cannot use reason to dissuade you from a position that you clearly did not use reason to get yourself into.

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                Society and laws are at the mercy of those who are in control. Right now in the US it is the Trump administration, but I remember Barack Obama saying, “I’ve got a pen, and I’ve got a phone,” emphasizing his ability to take executive action without waiting for Congress to push his agenda forward.

                That’s not freedom.

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            I’m banned from that platform because they do not believe in free speech absolutism, especially when you start in on churches and cops

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          Yeah, and an allied soldier in WW2 was just the flipside of a Wehrmacht soldier, so both were the same, right?

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            Chinese and Japanese soldiers during that time period would be a much more accurate comparison, and the answer is yes

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          There is a massive difference between allowed to say my government is doing something wrong, and being allowed to say “gas all the kikes”. One is criticism of authority, which is good. The other is hate speech, which is bad. You can absolutely have one without the other.

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            There is no difference between those two phrases if you actually have free speech

            And in fact, saying “I voted for Donald Trump”, is way more offensive to me than saying “kill everyone in Gaza”

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          Free speech isn’t intended to supercede criminal law. Advocating for hurting people is a crime. If they want to do it and have it be covered as “free speech”, they need to start by changing the law.

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            Advocating for hurting people is not a crime. Even an inactionable threat is not a crime. Look up precedent for arrests of inciting a riot and see how many of those charges actually stuck or help up on appeal.

            The fact that people are saying yore okay to punch Nazis in the face would be a violation of what you are advocating for but you have no problem with that because you don’t like Nazis.

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              I personally don’t support people saying that either. Punching people in the face is not a great way to change their minds that they are being “the bad guy”. And I think seeing alot of people post that, is counter productive to the goal of getting along and solving problems together reasonably.

              But I don’t, and shouldn’t, control what everyone else thinks is a good idea.

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      You are not wrong. The Supreme Court finding presidential immunity and then allowing an insurrectionist to run in contravention of the 14th amendment seems to have finally put the old document to rest.

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    You heard the man, fire any employee and expel any student who participated in the January 6 insurrection.

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    Last time I checked, people had a right to peaceful assembly and to protest.