Employer here (yes, I know right?! Sigh). Being on time and punctuality is about respect of other people time not about suppressing workers freedoms. We have no time to arrive for anyone. You can use the office if you like or work remotely from wherever you chose. But being late for a meeting with anyone relayed to the firm (customer or coworker including me) has to stay a seldom occurrence. Having multiple people wait for you 10 min is a pain point for everybody involved. It happens, I get it, but it everybody does not keep it to once in a long while everybody waits at every meeting which is not respectful of their time and its wasting quite some money too (Yes my people earn well above average). Is it too much to ask some basic respectful handling of each other?
BTW: there are employees that can’t handle that much autonomy yet. They specifically ask me to check their working hours and be at the office present for them to help them get their hours in and help with technical problems. But that’s usually new staff which has not learned to keep a routine. With time they usually get it together sooner or later. Surprisingly most make use of the office pretty regularly and just don’t come in if they travel to visit family or need to be at home for family reasons. Its a win all around as far as i am concerned.
You ever ran late to a college class because you had to stay longer than scheduled at your shitty retail job to cover your perpetually late coworker who was supposed to relieve you?
Sometimes running 10 minutes late is no big deal, but sometimes it is. It becomes a problem the moment it causes someone else problems.
10 mins late to an office job where they get their 10m back, AOK.
10 mins late to cashier/sales gig where you’re relieving someone else, not great.
10 mins late to a meeting is bad
10 mins late to class is bad.
Really depends what you are 10 minutes late for. A meeting with other participants, ok if your role is to sit and listen. Not OK if people are waiting for you to start. It’s not OK to be late to relieve a co worker either
My job doesn’t care if I’m late, and my productivity has not changed
Honestly, if I get the job done and do it to spec, managers can shut the fuck up.
It definitely depends on the job. I work in TV and live events. If your late you either miss the pre production meeting, or we all have to wait for you to start. If your later than that you are holding the team up and making people work harder to be ready by on-air time.
If your late
my late
Swipe keyboard and laziness. At least I showed up on time.
Yeah. It definitely depends on the job.
If you’re relieving someone, they might be annoyed if you’re late but nobody is going to die or anything. If your work isn’t extremely time sensitive, nobody should give a fuck…
If things can’t go because you’re not there, and it’s very time sensitive, then there’s a problem. Everyone is waiting on your ass to show up.
“ If your work isn’t extremely time sensitive, nobody should give a fuck…”
Except if Im staying to cover for you and I have other things I need to do or want to do I might give a fuck. The “no one should really care” POV overlooks how being late can impact others.
I had a specific exception for if you’re relieving someone.
I recognised this exact issue in my original statement.
“If you’re relieving someone, they might be annoyed if you’re late but nobody is going to die or anything.”
That’s not how I read this. I read this as you suggesting it isn’t a real problem.
It’s not a serious problem. Needs of the one vs needs of the many and all that.
It’s still discourteous.
But at the same time, people who do that kind of work, generally understand how annoying it is when their relief shows up late, so that kind of thing usually works itself out naturally… Or the chronic late person ends up needing to find a new job.
Is this post serious or just making shit up? Ive never heard anyone claim that 10 minutes late is on time. Late and on time are mutually exclusive words. Whether your work punishes it or not is a different question, im permitted to be 5 minutes late and it counts as on time for example.
This seems more like a post designed to piss people off and make them fight over a position noone had before reading it.
It’s a very good day when I show up just 10 minutes late.
This is cultural appropriation of italian culture
I just have unmedicated adhd and poor time management, i’m 10 minutes late for everything, i’ll be late to my own funeral, I’m a millenial or whatever
I wasn’t going to do anything productive in that first 10 minutes anyway, so…
Is there anyone covering for you? If so does their time have no value.
Not every job needs someone to cover. My work is about deadlines. As long as I meet them, I can work whenever and wherever I want aside from meetings and work events.
If your lateness doesn’t impact anyone that’s unlikely to be a problem BUT given Gen Z’s age range it is unlikely they aren’t mostly in shift work.
That fair
One thing I noticed about the younger generations is that they give zero fucks about their colleagues.
weird, I’m increasingly noticing that about older generations as we hire more older people at work
That’s atypical as most of the older generations usually have less inclination to being self centered in the workplace.
Yeah Im seeing a lot of people display how little they care about other people here which is disturbing.
An example of which would be a manager who pressures an employee to keep working because the employee who is taking over their job isn’t there yet and then acts as if they aren’t the one making it the other employee’s problem and it’s entirely the fault of the late one.
The world won’t end if that cash register is idle for a few mins. Hell, a manager should know how to run that register if it really is such a such a huge deal to have slower throughput for a bit.
Sometimes we all have work that requires others to show up on time. Sometimes I could hop on a registers but other times I can’t.
REGARDLESS, all of the problems start with the inconsiderate person who chronically cones in late. Blaming the cause of the problem is typically appropriate. There’s no exception in this case.
I’m talking specifically about the “if you’re late it’s because you don’t care about the person you’re relieving” part.
It would be like telling your staff “sorry but we had to cut everyone’s pay a bit because one of you were caught taking money from the register”.
These people are already working for pennies on the dollar of the value the work they do makes the corp. Even with the lates and almost all of the other screwups.
If you are chronically late you don’t particularly cate about the impact that has on others. Sorry but being selfish is something people will judge you for as an adult.
Depends on the situation. Meeting up with friends? I wouldn’t blink at them being 10 minutes late. Opening shift at a cafe? 10 minutes would put me so far behind I’d be in big trouble.
Okay kids, this is what we call, micro management leading to a hostile work environment.
I don’t think I’ve worked for a company that gave a shit if I was 10 minutes late.
One company had a time clock that only kept time records to one decimal place of an hour. The clock literally couldn’t differentiate between someone clocking in 5 minutes early, or 5 minutes late.
Anyone who cares about how trivially late you are, isn’t someone worthy of your labor.
It depends on the job. Sometimes coverage matters, sometimes specific times really matter for outcomes.
That’s exactly my point.
Some jobs, it’s extremely important to be on time… A fireman is an easy and obvious answer. Also nurses and people who work 24/7 coverage positions. Though, a lot of those will inconvenience one person because the previous shift person will need to cover; then there’s arguments about the one vs the many, etc.
But I’m also not taking about 20+ minutes of lateness here. We’re taking about <10 minutes. Honestly, it still wouldn’t matter that much for most. Even if you’re relieving someone.
You should absolutely do everything you can to show up on time, so that nobody is put out because of you, but shit happens.
Anything that demands less, meh?
That entirely depends on the job. I worked retail management for a store that had a lot if single parents that had two jobs. I’d cut them slack if they were late getting from one job to another. Im a lot less inclined to tolerate lateness when someone doesn’t have other responsibilities. When their lateness forces others to stay late to cover them it is a problem.
I’m all for tolerance but why should the circumstances of the individual matter? A single non-parent might have just as good a reason for being late.
If they are chronically late then they aren’t going to have good reasons.
Retail isn’t important enough to be on time for.
Then don’t take those jobs. There’s no justification for being selfish.
There’s no justification for being selfish.
The principals of retail is capitalism whose driving force is selfishness.
That’s a massive stretch you are making to justify being selfish.
Why stay late? Just leave. You’re not getting OT.
Company’s shit is company’s shit. End of shift ut stops being your problem.
If you are salaried you can’t “just leave”. If you are hourly you can but you might want to be seen as the person willing to help out when needed because that dies get reciprocated presuming your managers are normal human beings.
At this place part timers were getting full benefits so most would be willing to help because only a fool would give up that job.
Fuck those companies. They should be grateful I even sent my resume to their corrupted pile of shit of a company
