• PhilipTheBucket@piefed.social
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    10 days ago

    Pro tip for anyone in this situation: Squaring up on someone that close to them is assault (as distinct from battery which is if you make contact with them), and the woman not getting back when they told her to is obstruction. He’s guilty of a felony and she can be arrested for a misdemeanor, if they really want to push either or both of those issues.

    If you’re going into it to maybe get arrested to make a point then fine. It’s possible that the charges will be dropped or the grand jury won’t indict, and giving resistance to these guys is absolutely a good thing to do. But, it’s also possible that the legal consequences will be severe (even if they’re following the normal rules instead of just snatching you to ICE detention). Honestly, they should be getting this type of stuff everywhere they show up. I’m just saying this so that people know what the deal is if they do decide to do this. There are a lot of TikTok lawyers who think that “not even doing anything” is in the statute, but it isn’t.

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      To reiterate this point: Resistance may come with consequences, even if it is the right thing to do. There are many people who, for whatever reason, are unable or unwilling to shoulder the burden of those consequences, and that’s okay. While it’s true that they can’t put all of us in prison, they can put any of us in prison. It’s okay to avoid prison, especially if that means you can continue to resist in other ways.

      When you decide to rise up, be aware that you’re bringing family and friends along for the ride. Not only will they be affected by the consequences you experience, but you will need them more than ever. We are most certainly in this together, and unless you’ve had the explicit conversation with key people in your life about suffering those kinds of consequences together, and gotten a clear positive answer about that, it is perfectly sensible to back down.

      To all those (not you, Phil) who complain behind keyboards that “That doesn’t work” and “Always stand up to them” and “You’re all cowards” - as usual, it’s more complicated than that.

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      10 days ago

      Revolution is never painless my friends. It’s going to get uglier before it could ever get better. Stay strong, fight on and keep resisting.

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      Hey guy frequently taking about amateur lawyers and stating definitively what the law actually is, what are your qualifications?

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      10 days ago

      Not to mention feigning like he was ready to draw from a 6oclock carry. That was even wilder to me than squaring up.