• LibertyLizard@slrpnk.net
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    2 days ago

    I don’t think it will be to Denmark’s advantage to attack the US. Trump is full of shit anyway.

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      23 hours ago

      If Denmark pushes EU to an economic war, then the USD is no longer the petrol dollar and will crash immediately.

      The US relies in Europe for their economy to a greater deal than the EU relies on the US. But an economic war between the worlds two largest economies will cause global economic instability for a bit.

      Personally I were shocked EU didn’t attack the petrol dollar at the beginning of the Hormuz closure, as that was the easy way to keep energy flowing out of the strait.

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        22 hours ago

        Denmark has allowed the US to have new bases in Denmark while the US was threatening Greenland. The EU is made up of countries and many have good relations with the US.

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          22 hours ago

          Several EU countries have been distancing themselves from the US for the past year and a half, but apparently they didn’t feel prepared for cutting contact this spring.

          Was it three trade agreements signed since Trump went to office? Mercosur, India and Australia iirc. They’ve all been laying around in a drawer, with minor details missing. Boom, they’re all good now.

          That’s not at random, that’s Europe positioning itself to not rely on the US. The continent has been awakened and the drift away is going to happen. The US wanted to be isolated, they can’t stop the movement now.

          India is going to replace a fair share of the reliance Europe has on the US. But Africa is right there next door screaming for investment, no need to invest in the US

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            22 hours ago

            Mercosur, India and Australia

            Mercosur wasn’t signed in Colombia at the initially planned date. That looked like US influence.

            India is built up against China, with an extreme right government that looks US made.

            Australia is big but with a small population. That looks more like a support of the American shift to Asia since it came with a defence agreement if I remember correctly.

            But Africa is right there next door screaming for investment

            So why don’t we invest?

            Five of Cuba’s 15 provinces without power as grid fails again

            https://feddit.org/post/33508934

            We honor the US embargo. There is no independence.

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              21 hours ago

              India is built up against China, with an extreme right government that looks US made.

              But it’s a democracy which is moving in the right direction in terms of personal freedoms.

              Australia is big but with a small population. That looks more like a support of the American shift to Asia since it came with a defence agreement if I remember correctly.

              Looking at the official statement, it’s a direct jab against the US turning away from a rules based order. This agreement is not to glaze the US, far from it.

              The EU and Australia are already long-standing allies and partners, whose global outlook is aligned in terms of defending multilateralism and the rules-based international order.

              https://www.eeas.europa.eu/delegations/australia/eu-and-australia-strengthen-relations-security-and-defence-partnership-and-trade-agreement_en?s=163

              So why don’t we invest?

              We are, but we should be investing more. And more importantly, we should cleverly flood the Arabic peninsula with euroes through energy trade. To make Saudi Arabia assert its soft power in Africa and weaken the US in the process.

              We honor the US embargo. There is no independence.

              There’s no way we can break a US blockade on Cuba, just like the US successfully can’t invade France. Distance is a hell of an issue.

              Cuba is too insignificant to cause a greater international reaction

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                19 hours ago

                But it’s a democracy

                That’s a nice benefit but we can’t use the Indian trade agreement as an example of European independence if it serves the US strategy.

                defending multilateralism and the rules-based international order.

                As opposed to the multipolar order. This is not opposing the US. France, and thus the EU, were not so long ago excluded from a nuclear submarine deal. I doubt that Australia switched to relying on the EU.

                we should cleverly flood the Arabic peninsula with euroes through energy trade. To make Saudi Arabia assert its soft power in Africa and weaken the US in the process.

                I don’t think Saudi Arabia can be bought like that. Saudi Arabia was made by the US. Also, how would the EU benefit? Saudi Arabia most likely has their own goals.

                There’s no way we can break a US blockade on Cuba,

                True, but we could try to deliver and more prominently rub it in that the US are violating international law.

                Cuba is too insignificant to cause a greater international reaction

                That’s when international law matters. If we don’t defend it or at least try, we signal that it is only there to suppress the ambitions of small countries.

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                  18 hours ago

                  we can’t use the Indian trade agreement as an example of European independence if it serves the US strategy.

                  It serves European strategy, as one step to further isolate Russia, to ensure countries we’re closer aligned to are in better positions. Of the three global tigers (China, India, USA), India is the lesser evil.

                  Sure India counters China in regional presence, but that’s not the ways USA cares about countering China. India would honestly trade Taiwan for complete soft control of Southeast Asia.

                  As opposed to the multipolar order.

                  That doesn’t exist, there’s at least 4 polars today. Usa, China, India and EU. There could be arguments for the Arabic peninsula being a 5th major polar.

                  Also, how would the EU benefit?

                  Trading energy in euroes, would make more euroes float and make the euro as a currency stronger. The more a currency is adapted, the stronger it is.

                  It’s the entire tenant behind US growth, the petrodollar. Making the world swim in dollars, which they end up investing back in the US and the US can then buy new shit overseas. The Euro would achieve a similar effect if it bought its energy in euroes, with a third intermediary being Africa. Saudi Arabia would invest in Africa, Africa would buy a mix of food and industrial equipment in Europe and the triangle trade is in motion

                  rub it in that the US are violating international law.

                  fair

                  That’s when international law matters. If we don’t defend it or at least try, we signal that it is only there to suppress the ambitions of small countries.

                  An idealists statement, but it’s not how the world spins around

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                    13 hours ago

                    , but that’s not the ways USA cares about countering China

                    What is the way?

                    That [US hegemony] doesn’t exist

                    I am not sure if Europe is independent. If we were independent we wouldn’t stay silent about Cuba.

                    India is big, but are they on the same technological level?

                    Trading energy in euroes

                    The US is just stopping the dollar dominance. Europe would have the same problem: everything is produced elsewhere so we are forced to develop the most advanced weapons without practical skills and a reliable supply.

                    Africa would buy a mix of food and industrial equipment in Europe

                    Building our future on exploiting Africa again is possible but not reliable. China could and will make the better offers. Same for them buying Arabian energy.

                    An idealists statement, but it’s not how the world spins around

                    Which shows that we only support countries for materialistic reasons. We continue to be the colonial powers. That costs us credibility. Why should countries prefer us over China?

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      1 day ago

      They don’t have to attack anyone, wars can happen without any violence just peace talks and treaties.

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          Hybrid war isn’t. You can attack an enemy’s interests: harm their economy, flood them with refugees beyond their ability to cope, throw up obstacles to their normal foreign trade, etc.