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And it only got worse.
(This was posted before Musk bought Twitter and before the full-on invasion of Ukraine)
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The date on this post. It definitely checked out.
I totally didn’t realize
Yeah, things are going to get worse before it gets better
But there are things worth fighting for
Rage against the dying of the light
Fight for causes that are worth fighting for, fight tooth and nail against the billionaires and corporations
ere are things worth fighting for Rage against the dying of the light
Fight for causes that are worth fighting for, fight too
(checks to see if we’re really done that in the past decade)
Survey says, that’s not about to happen.
My parents:
“If you just ignore all the bad things, everything’s fine!”
What they’ve been doing all this time and look how great it has been for them!
I used to think we might get our star trek future. Now I think we’ll be lucky to have a future at all.
You do realize the Star Trek future arose from the ashes of nuclear holocaust, right?
Iirc, things are looking better today than the ST timeline had. They predicted water riots and a breakdown of society in the 2020s and 2030s, leading to a devestating nuclear exchange in the 2050s. Though while we aren’t seeing water riots, it doesn’t sound that far off.
Buuuuut, ST also predicted that we’d have already seen Kahn take over and the eugenic wars, and that’s something that is worse than anything we’ve actually seen. I think they overestimated how much we could do after the progress seen in sequencing genomes when the original series was being made. They originally put Kahn in the 1990s/2000s.
So one could argue that we’re currently in a better timeline than Star Trek.
Strange New Worlds retconned the Eugenics Wars to be an extension of the second US Civil War, which began in the mid-late 2020s and basically escalated over time into WW3 by the 50s. I agree that we’re probably in a better timeline than pre-WW3 Star Trek tho.
I disagree. Had a great day out today with some friends and ate the largest halloumi burger I have ever seen.
It’s okay dear, we’ll be dead by then anyway. – This person’s parents.
But yes, I agree with the pedants here unfortunately. I know, I need a shower. This is obvious hyperbole.
Having said that, it’s also true that a lot of people are in a position where they would not be shocked at all if things continue to decline over time. Today may be a shitty day, but you’ll come to realize that it’s one of the best days you’ll ever have from here on out. A time when you didn’t have to worry about which InterZone you got assigned to today or whether you were going to get bazopped in your Volundo today. You can just enjoy the fresh air outside without having to worry if there’s more than 80 PPM Solanaceous compounds in it or if you’ve got enough glonks to go smocking in the boonzoon. Just sitting with a glowing screen in front of your eyes oblivious to it all is a luxury that in time few will be able to accomplish.
You say this is hyperbole but my parents have said quote “well if it is true we’ll be gone by then but…”
I don’t know what these “good things” are. What were they before?
There is good in every day. There is bad in every day. Seek to experience both.
Yep, the world is in a downward spiral of heat and economies are built on unsustainable debt. I do not envie the world we are leaving future generations(I have chosen to not reproduce). But good things continue to happen daily, and you can do good things on the regular.
We will not be fine. We can work to make things better.
Even though times are uncertain—as has been rightly said above—there are things worth fighting for. And yes, good things happen every year, even every day. The problem lies with us when we fail to pay attention to them or let ourselves be overcome by discouragement.
drone survival tactics. my local police have them. but they aren’t very stealthy. lights and buzzy noise. wanted to jam their signal. where to start.
Depends on the country. Some places are in decline and others are not. It’s up to the people of each country to manage themselves and their country.
Well this is false. This a some serious “touch grass” moment, if you think this you are terminally online.
Ignorance is bliss.
Hey look! One of the couple dozen people the status quo is working for has a Lemmy!
It’s true that people who aren’t terminally online are rare on lemmy
I hate this doomerism. Generally speaking, things have gotten waaaay better in most parts of the world. Life expectancy is increasing, tech is getting better, gaming is getting more fun, many medical conditions that meant certain death don’t mean that anymore, cities (at least around me) are moving away from car centric planning and so on.
We have Jarvis now (sorta kinda). Looking at the future, we’re seeing potential treatments that could cure most cancers if not all. We’re seeing tech that could lead to labor post scarcity (sure, maybe not the timelines that the capitalists are proclaiming, but still).
On the progressive front, being queer is getting much easier than in the past. YES, THERE’S A LOT OF IMPROVEMENT NECESSARY HERE. But, there’s progress, not regression which this post claims.
Are there many things to work on? Yes. Can be do better? Yes. But I’m still very optimistic about the future and frankly, excited for it.
It’s not doomerism, it’s scientific fact. The climate is collapsing, entire populations of animals are collapsing or starting to collapse, forest fires and storms are becoming more frequent and severe and in turn droughts and flooding have greatly increased along with extreme heat events that have already killed hundreds of thousands of people that are too disadvantaged to have access to air conditioned places. Most of these are in poor areas of northern India and Africa that apparently you don’t care enough about to fit into your malformed and lacking world view.
Thinking everything is fine is just horribly ignorant given all the readily available articles, youtube videos, scientific papers and raw data that shows just how fucked we are.
You’re essentially putting a paper bag over your head and unironically saying “This is fine” while people on the other side of the shaky wall you put up die of heat stroke, drown, starve, or burn to death.
*We are currently in the middle of cascading environmental collapse. All you have to do to recognize it is open your fucking eyes and read the fucking data.
Here’s collections of data from the UN, World Bank, WMO and the Copernicus satellite program:
https://wmo.int/publication-series/state-of-global-climate/state-of-global-climate-2025
https://climateknowledgeportal.worldbank.org/
https://marine.copernicus.eu/ocean-climate-portal/sea-surface-temperature
Bonus article about a town near me that burnt down:
https://indiginews.com/first-person/we-lost-a-community-we-are-allowed-to-grieve-it/
Yeah, but he’s got Jarvis… /s
I can’t believe that he thinks gaming and AI are making the world better.
Because those things will benefit normal people. Have fun taking public transportation to work 90 hours and sleep in a tent.
I actually think that the world has and will continue to get better for the vast majority of people. I would say it’s pretty difficult to create a world where there is a 0% chance of anything at all getting worse, but fewer people are dying of malaria, we’re close to eradicating polio, way fewer people die in wars than used to etc. And even if most people are waay off on how to make the world a better place, at least they usually want it to be. Many humans working together on a task has historically been a great recipe for success. The better the world becomes, the more of us can spend time helping each other.
In b4 food chains collapse because the ocean is boiling and land is on fire, and everyone you claim has a ‘better’ life starves to death
Source that oceans will boil? Probably worth being precise if you want to argue. Food supply is an economics problem: people starve because they cannot afford food, because they live in poverty in low-income countried. And poverty is going down almost everywhere where people have regularly starved in the past. (I expect sub-saharan africa will break out of their vicious cycle soon). See: https://ourworldindata.org/poverty
Oceans boiling is figurative, but I suppose you know that and are just obtuse.
Food supply is dependent on an environment that is able to support plant growth and it is now becoming too hot and dry for most of the plants we rely on to grow. As droughts become more frequent and as local temperatures rise agriculture will become impossible. Coupled with the expected flooding of almost all arable land on the planet as the ice caps continue to melt at an exponential rate. This will in turn make all the oceans less salty while the CO2 that’s been released into the atmosphere over the past 200 years makes it more acidic while also raising the average temperature by ~3°C which will likely create a mass extinction event of almost every marine mammal on the planet. We’re already seeing this happen in certain places with fish jumping out of the water as the ocean becomes too hot for them to survive and whale starving to death as the krill they feed on die out as the phytoplankton the krill feed on die out too.
We are currently in the middle of cascading environmental collapse. All you have to do to recognize it is open your fucking eyes and read the fucking data.
Here’s collections of data from the UN, World Bank, WMO and the Copernicus satellite program:
https://wmo.int/publication-series/state-of-global-climate/state-of-global-climate-2025
https://climateknowledgeportal.worldbank.org/
https://marine.copernicus.eu/ocean-climate-portal/sea-surface-temperature
I told my mom (78) a yesterday about how I was talking to my son (8) about climate change. She said “But he’s only 8!” I said “This will affect his entire life, and already is, because it’s so hot he can’t have recess outside.” Politically, she’s no Republican, and she hates Trump, but she still struggles to piece together that we know what’s causing climate change and how to stop it.
my grandma gave me a book about climate change when I was your kid’s age; this was back in the 80s, the book was written in the 70s.
We’ve long known the cause of climate change and the effects it will have. I forget which oil company did it, but decades ago the did research discovered it was oil companies and decided to ignore and lie about it.
We are all so hypocritical about it. Here we all are, online, burning energy (electricity that is often produced by fossil fuel burning) and contributing to that warming. We buy online. We use AI. We fly for travel. But it is always someone else being the problem. We complain about the billionaires but we are all still sending money their way, daily, sometimes hourly because we are addicted to all their online platforms: shopping, gaming, music, media, sports. It has become so ingrained that I don’t know how we get out of it other than a sudden collapse - most likely be someone like Trump or Putin pushing the button. I can see either one of them doing it in their dying breath just to spite the rest of the world.
A few billionaires cause more climate change in a short time than billions of humans cause in a multiple lifetimes.
You use that stuff, most of use only use what is necessary.
Get your priorities straight, your tongue is getting too close to the boot.
We have known about climate change since the Industrial Revolution. Since coal was causing it, before oil was the norm.
To add even more background, Eunice Newton Foote discovered the greenhouse effect in 1856. Right there, in the very first scientific paper describing the heat-trapping property of CO2, she predicted global warming. (Other scientists had caught on that atmospheric gases trap heat decades earlier, without being able to know which ones.)
By 1896, Svante Arrhenius had quantified it, actually calculating the increases in temperature due to increases in atmospheric CO2.
The modern petroleum industry appeared around the same time. The oil companies never didn’t know about the connection between oil and climate change.
Paywalled. But I have seen this clipping for years and never seen anybody claim it wasn’t real.
Snopes isn’t paywalled, and neither is the newspaper archive they link to.
It was Exxon. Here’s the clip.
Exxon
Did you not know about climate change 8 years ago?
… Should they have been talking to their son as an embryo about it?
They’re saying they shouldn’t have had a child if they knew they were bringing them into a world in decline.
Then they should say that.
Yes?
That silent generation (and anyone born before the 1940s who was alive then) really repressed all the shit that happened to them so thoroughly that there are like 40 years of people that just don’t understand suffering. I was watching some of the ww2 propaganda that the Looney Tunes people made and nothing was clearer than the fact that those people were tired of shit happening and knew their luck was about to turn. They didn’t proceed to take the necessary steps of explaining to their kids what actually happened to them and how it came to occur.
Someone born in 1900 would have also experienced oligarchy, economic downturns, environmental disasters at scale, and a pandemic (plus 2 fucking world wars) by their 40s
The existence of Farage and Trump as political figures is largely dependent on the ignorance you refer to. It’s so frustrating that the lessons learned through hardship just simply are forgotten.
It is very similar to (moderate) wealth. The first generation earns it and the second generation spends it, ignorant of the effort it took to create it. (Dad and mom started a business and worked 60 hour weeks for 35 years, the kids don’t want the business, and by the end of their life, the kids have spent their inheritance).
Those who don’t learn history…
Are the same that burn crosses…
Wait
Hey it fits
I used to seek out old people as a kid. I’d go play bridge with them, ask them about their lives. It took a long time for them to really open up, but they did. They looked at me with this pity. I didn’t understand until much later.
