• They definitely gaslit the dude, for the greater good of America, I suppose; I’m sure one could make the case that the success and therefore the secrecy of America’s stealth and space programs were essential to bringing about the present world order, in which America is the lone superpower, for better or worse.

      I think there are real cases in which various visual, optical, radio, or computer phenomena, have been misinterpreted by observers in good faith, who have reconciled what they could not explain with fantasies.

      Or do you mean that, despite official statements to the contrary and lack of available evidence, in fact actual extraterrestrials have traveled to the earth and their presence verified and knowledge held in secret from the general public?

        • “I don’t believe for a minute that it was any kind of alien structure; I think there is a fairly strong earthly explanation for what occurred,” says Leo Grenier, director of the National Weather Service in Muskegon. …

          Grenier of the National Weather Service believes the Federal Aviation Administration knows what happened that night but isn’t saying.

          “If any aircraft are within a given area, then the FAA has to know what’s going on in that area. But most of the time, they won’t acknowledge anything, not even to us,” he says.

          “I think I know what it was, but I’m not going to tell you. Once I retire from the National Weather Service, I might tell somebody.”

          Any more about what this guy thinks it was in Michigan?

          First time I saw the tic tac video, it looked to me like glare that I’ve seen before on a PTZ camera inside a clear dome aka a speed dome camera, and I found credible the many who say that’s exactly what it is just from reflected infrared light. The voices, which I later learned are fake, are what made me think “nah, it couldn’t be an artifact, the pilots would recognize it.”

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              Found one more quote from Grenier:

              “Leo Grenier, director of Muskegon’s National Weather Service office, says he knows what happened – but he won’t tell. “There wasn’t any UFO,” Grenier said. “There’s an earthly explanation but I’m not going to talk about it.” The reason, Grenier said, is national security. “I was in the Navy for 20 years. I know a lot of Navy operations and a good bit (about) Navy equipment. I checked with some retired electronic technicians I know, and they confirmed what I thought.”

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                  I’m not doubting what you saw. I’m just wondering what that Grenier guy thinks you saw. He seems to say he has a good idea of what it is. He could be a total nutter but I’d still like to know what he thinks. Hasn’t some podcaster tracked him down?

                  And are there any photos? I couldn’t seem to find any.