• ☆ Yσɠƚԋσʂ ☆@lemmygrad.ml
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    1 year ago

    Yes, nobody in the west predicted that and the state department was even saying it was unlikely. Shit, you really should’ve called them up and told them!

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      1 year ago

      They were sounding the alarms for months, since the fall of 2021

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              1 year ago

              Ukraine in NATO in 1997 would prevent this war, Russia was in no shape to invade anyone, still dealing with Chechnya

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                There was zero chance of NATO accepting Ukraine in 1997 as anybody who has any clue at all understands. Meanwhile, what would’ve actually prevented this war was for Ukraine to declare neutrality and renounce NATO ambitions. That option is certainly going to look pretty good when this is all over.

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                  1 year ago

                  The Baltics joined NATO in 2004, Russia did nothing despite long control over the region and a large Russian minority. Had Ukraine been in this position the whole war could have been avoided, since Russia would not invade a NATO country

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                    The Baltics aren’t Ukraine, you keep exposing yourself as being utterly ignorant regarding the subject you keep attempting to debate. You’re like the poster child for the whole “I did my own research” meme.