• 201dberg@lemmygrad.ml
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    1 year ago

    It’s weirdly humanizing in a way. Like you just see the sad empty shell of a desperate human being. There’s nothing left outside of the character the actor portrays. He knows there’s little to no chance there exists a scenario where he gets out of this alive.

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      That really sums it up, you can see he knows the gig is up. I really think the plan was to have a spectacular offensive that would cut off Crimea, and then push for NATO membership based on that. Now, he’s realizing that it’s just going to be business as usual where NATO will keep sending scraps without getting directly involved, and his regime is going to be ground down in the end.

      It’s hard to have sympathy for the guy who had the opportunity to end this all back in March last year, but instead chose the course that led to hundreds of thousands of people dying, and millions more having their lives ruined. This clown deserves what’s coming to him.

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        I’m not so sure about that, I’m sure he’ll be able to flee before anyone else and enjoy some nice days in the US or Canada

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            Or they will accept the defeat, take Zelensky as refugee and keep fear mongering against Russia, presenting it as maniac dictatorship being prime aggressor, to strengthen NATO by making more countries join out of fear from Russia.

            Comrade, tell us the parallels you are drawing when you say they gonna need a scapegoat.

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              I expect that accepting defeat will be career ending for a lot of the politicians in the west. Once it becomes impossible to pretend that the war is anything but a debacle, then recriminations are going to start flying. Meanwhile, it’s going to be hard to get any NATO unity when the economic situation continues to unravel. People in Europe are starting to get angry, and when they’re told that there’s gonna have to be even more austerity that could be the breaking point. Notice how parties that want to start dialog with Russia are starting to get popular all of a sudden. Unfortunately, pretty much all of them are right wingers because the left in the west ended up aligning with the imperialists.

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                How many careers did Iraq and Afghanistan end? Not zero, but not a lot, either.

                The cycle is roughly:

                1. This war is a good one, I swear!
                2. See how awful and inept the other guys are, we have to win!
                3. We’ll fight as long as it takes!
                4. Wait, that war is still going? Old news.
                5. Hmm, suddenly there are some reports about our guys not being perfect.
                6. Oh shit it looks like there’s war crimes and graft and boondoggles all over!
                7. Who wanted this war again?
                8. OK they didn’t beat us, we were sabatoged and the locals were corrupt!
                9. Fuck, why do all these people armed with our weapons hate us?
                10. Huh looks like all the war crimes we did were way worse than first revealed.
                11. Ah hell, that war was a whole entire decade ago, we’ve changed!
                12. OK seriously guys, this war is a good one, I swear!
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                So they knew the end result but still started the war as a an extra gig for US imperialists to make some quick bucks, and then reset Europe - Russia relationships to pre war.

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                  I get the impression that they are completely detached from reality, and they expected Russia to just collapse within a few weeks of the war starting. Then they just kept hoping that Russia would run out of weapons, or that Russian army would crack, or that they could choke Russia economically somehow. The longer this went on the more they got trapped in their own lies, and now they’ve painted themselves into a corner and have no idea what to do about it.

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                    What do you think about Russia Europe relations after war? Is Russia going to deliberately keep the trade relations low to let US suck Europe dry or they gonna forget their hostility and start exporting again?

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                I expect that accepting defeat will be career ending for a lot of the politicians in the west.

                A lot of those might only have till the next election anyway, thanks to the inflation they’ve either encouraged or done nothing about. Then again, support for Ukraine is kinda cross-party in the west. It’s hard to predict. Considering the brain worms, one thing we might hope for is that media barons somehow lose a load of money because of the war and shift the narrative hard. This might be too much to hope for, though.

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                  It’s gonna be interesting to watch how this develops, my expectation is that deteriorating material conditions are what’s going to matter in the end. You can feed people as much media as you want, but if they can’t make their ends meet then they’re still gonna be pissed.

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          A man sees a doctor because he’s depressed over NATO rejection. “You should see Zelensky,” the doctor says, “he knows how to get into NATO, wait and see!” “But doctor,” the man replies, “I am Zelensky.”

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      I *think *he’ll get to retire on the beach, but I hope he pays for his crimes and gets strung up by his own people he betrayed.