The US has never been a democracy. And I don’t mean that in the “constitutional republic” way. I mean it literally, there has been no time when everyone could participate in the organization of society let alone share the same status as the ruling class.
Democracy isn’t ending because of Trump. It ended because a group of wealthy people in a closed room decided it was bad for business.
So let me get this straight: you’re gonna keep holding this competition for power, and the results will either be democracy or the end of democracy, instead of just imprisoning the guy who’s threatening to end democracy? I don’t get it. It seems very inefficient and only something a poor leader would allow.
If my team preserves democracy and the other team does not, and I currently hold power, why would I allow the other team even the remotest possibility of gaining power? And why are you assuming that Biden WILL win? What happens if he doesn’t? Why hasn’t he provided any contingency plans for if he loses? He hasn’t installed anyone in important positions or pass laws that will protect democracy in case he loses. It seems to me that if Biden loses, he will simply retreat to a beach house and leave us to fend for ourselves.
What ‘democracy’?
You never actually had any sort of representation of working-class people’s interests in your government, so clearly you aren’t talking about any genuine democracy.
And there is no indication that the practice of representative ‘democracy’ is going away under the 99% Biden option, so clearly you aren’t talking about that, either.
Also, if you do have a democracy, as you claim, then you should be put on Nuremberg trials for your complicity in many, many atrocities that you keep committing in a supposedly-democratic manner.
and a piece of human shit in office
Literally every single USian president, ever, including Biden. Hell, you venerate worse beings than Trump, like chattel slavers like Washington, for example.
Also, your plan seems to basically be ‘never have the Dem party, which literally funds and backs Republican candidates in elections (including Trump in 2016, by the way), lose a presidential election to the Rep party’. Every literate person understands that that is not workable, even if you were correct about the supposed ‘end of democracy’.
If a so-called “democracy” is committing and normalizing genocide, then what good is that “democracy”?
If tacitly endorsing genocide is an acceptable condition for the preservation of representative republicanism then what groups are eligible for this sacrificial role/duty?
Damn if Trump will end democracy, then the Dems should probably do something about him. Kind of wild how we can live in an alleged democracy and then it just ends with Trump completely unprovoked and unprecedented with no build up, seems like a good system. Even weirder that the alleged democracy didn’t end the last time Trump was.in power, despite everyone claiming it would.
The Biden Administration, full of well-connected political elites, people with decades of experience and insider knowledge — people who attend intelligence briefings, plan wars, and sign off on covert operations, people who pursued Julian Assange to the ends of the earth, law be damned — are going to do nothing to prevent a coup that installs a one-party dictatorship in the United States? They really believe it will happen, and yet they are doing nothing, despite having the power to easily stop it?
Or, are they scaring a vote out of you, rather than buying your vote with policies that their rich donors might not want?
Do you know why they didn’t stop Hitler? Do you know why they handed him power even though he lost the election? Because most of the industrial class was behind Hitler as a way to crush the enormous upswell of socialist agitation in Germany at the time. Capitalism was in crisis. The establishment wanted Hitler. He was a thug to beat back the left. The votes of the people didn’t matter, only money mattered.
In America, the left is weak, and capitalism is all-powerful. They don’t need Hitler yet. Trump had four years to be Hitler and they didn’t let him. They were in charge, not him.
The second they want Hitler, we’ll have Hitler, no matter how we vote. That is what Germany teaches us.
Why would it be otherwise? The rich write our policies. The rich declare our wars. The rich crush our rights. The rich exploit and sicken us and they make sure the law lets them do it. You can’t vote them out. If the rich want to let Israel obliterate Palestine because Israel helps them control the oil-rich Middle East? That is what will happen. That is not on the ballot. If the rich want private healthcare? That is what will happen. You can’t vote on that. You can’t vote on any of this. You don’t have enough money.
It doesn’t matter how you vote, but there are other things you can do. Organize your workplace and community. Most of our rights were gained through strikes and other direct action. We didn’t vote in the 8 hour work week.
I’m saying it’s not that important who runs the government, because the rich, the MIC, and the oil industry are in charge regardless. The only way positive change happens is if a bunch of us band together and physically force it to happen. They already have the elections gamed out, we’ve been voting for the lesser evil since Nixon, since before Nixon, and look where that has brought us.
It’s not a quiz. You brought up Hitler and his rise to power but I don’t think you actually understand how Hitler and the Nazi party gained its power. My “point” is not some grand final statement or “gotcha” moment – my “point” is the whole conversation. If you’re not willing to have a dialogue, then just delete your posts in this thread and I will disengage.
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The US has never been a democracy. And I don’t mean that in the “constitutional republic” way. I mean it literally, there has been no time when everyone could participate in the organization of society let alone share the same status as the ruling class.
Democracy isn’t ending because of Trump. It ended because a group of wealthy people in a closed room decided it was bad for business.
Democracy is already over. Biden and Trump are merely an illusion of choice.
So let me get this straight: you’re gonna keep holding this competition for power, and the results will either be democracy or the end of democracy, instead of just imprisoning the guy who’s threatening to end democracy? I don’t get it. It seems very inefficient and only something a poor leader would allow.
If my team preserves democracy and the other team does not, and I currently hold power, why would I allow the other team even the remotest possibility of gaining power? And why are you assuming that Biden WILL win? What happens if he doesn’t? Why hasn’t he provided any contingency plans for if he loses? He hasn’t installed anyone in important positions or pass laws that will protect democracy in case he loses. It seems to me that if Biden loses, he will simply retreat to a beach house and leave us to fend for ourselves.
I’m thinking of writing in Markiplier
I’m gonna write in my dog if I can’t vote
what democracy? all I see is an ownership class dictatorship with a red, angry, sadistic face and sometimes a blue, sad, excuse-making face
What ‘democracy’?
You never actually had any sort of representation of working-class people’s interests in your government, so clearly you aren’t talking about any genuine democracy. And there is no indication that the practice of representative ‘democracy’ is going away under the 99% Biden option, so clearly you aren’t talking about that, either.
Also, if you do have a democracy, as you claim, then you should be put on Nuremberg trials for your complicity in many, many atrocities that you keep committing in a supposedly-democratic manner.
Literally every single USian president, ever, including Biden. Hell, you venerate worse beings than Trump, like chattel slavers like Washington, for example.
Also, your plan seems to basically be ‘never have the Dem party, which literally funds and backs Republican candidates in elections (including Trump in 2016, by the way), lose a presidential election to the Rep party’. Every literate person understands that that is not workable, even if you were correct about the supposed ‘end of democracy’.
This finally convinced me to vote for Hillary
Committing genocide doesn’t make you a piece of shit?
A goddamn cheeto in the oval office
If a so-called “democracy” is committing and normalizing genocide, then what good is that “democracy”?
If tacitly endorsing genocide is an acceptable condition for the preservation of representative republicanism then what groups are eligible for this sacrificial role/duty?
[Here's how to actually prevent the end of democracy.]
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Damn if Trump will end democracy, then the Dems should probably do something about him. Kind of wild how we can live in an alleged democracy and then it just ends with Trump completely unprovoked and unprecedented with no build up, seems like a good system. Even weirder that the alleged democracy didn’t end the last time Trump was.in power, despite everyone claiming it would.
Help me understand this.
The Biden Administration, full of well-connected political elites, people with decades of experience and insider knowledge — people who attend intelligence briefings, plan wars, and sign off on covert operations, people who pursued Julian Assange to the ends of the earth, law be damned — are going to do nothing to prevent a coup that installs a one-party dictatorship in the United States? They really believe it will happen, and yet they are doing nothing, despite having the power to easily stop it?
Or, are they scaring a vote out of you, rather than buying your vote with policies that their rich donors might not want?
Is this democracy or a good cop bad cop routine?
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Do you know why they didn’t stop Hitler? Do you know why they handed him power even though he lost the election? Because most of the industrial class was behind Hitler as a way to crush the enormous upswell of socialist agitation in Germany at the time. Capitalism was in crisis. The establishment wanted Hitler. He was a thug to beat back the left. The votes of the people didn’t matter, only money mattered.
In America, the left is weak, and capitalism is all-powerful. They don’t need Hitler yet. Trump had four years to be Hitler and they didn’t let him. They were in charge, not him.
The second they want Hitler, we’ll have Hitler, no matter how we vote. That is what Germany teaches us.
Why would it be otherwise? The rich write our policies. The rich declare our wars. The rich crush our rights. The rich exploit and sicken us and they make sure the law lets them do it. You can’t vote them out. If the rich want to let Israel obliterate Palestine because Israel helps them control the oil-rich Middle East? That is what will happen. That is not on the ballot. If the rich want private healthcare? That is what will happen. You can’t vote on that. You can’t vote on any of this. You don’t have enough money.
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It doesn’t matter how you vote, but there are other things you can do. Organize your workplace and community. Most of our rights were gained through strikes and other direct action. We didn’t vote in the 8 hour work week.
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I’m saying it’s not that important who runs the government, because the rich, the MIC, and the oil industry are in charge regardless. The only way positive change happens is if a bunch of us band together and physically force it to happen. They already have the elections gamed out, we’ve been voting for the lesser evil since Nixon, since before Nixon, and look where that has brought us.
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You don’t vote against candidates, you vote for candidates.
Hindenburg appointed Hitler to the Chancellorship of Germany.
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Let’s try this: What did Hindenburg less than two years after he appointed Hitler to the Chancellorship of Germany?
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It’s not a quiz. You brought up Hitler and his rise to power but I don’t think you actually understand how Hitler and the Nazi party gained its power. My “point” is not some grand final statement or “gotcha” moment – my “point” is the whole conversation. If you’re not willing to have a dialogue, then just delete your posts in this thread and I will disengage.
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democracy is when you have no choice