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  • Carighan Maconar@lemmy.world
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    5 months ago

    That would eliminate a lot of fires caused by putting too much current through small wires.

    The counterpoint to this would be: Why have the fuse in the plug (where the plug necessarily becomes bulkier and hence easier to break or harm someone by stepping on it, especially because the UK plug design means the points orient upwards on average) when you can have it in the device instead?

    Moreover, why go the step of putting millions and millions of fuses into millions of millions of plugs instead of much fewer fuses on lines in homes? If you got to decree a fuse to stop overcurrent on the cable in the wall, put the fuse where you’re trying to use it.

    (I’m not against fuses in all plugs, I’m just saying it’s easy to make counterarguments that it’s both impractical and also the wrong solution to the problem)

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      5 months ago

      The benefit of the fusebin the plug is you can have a 1A fuse for a 1A appliance with a cable rated for 1A, and plug it into a socket rated for 10A.
      If the appliance faults, then the wire doesnt catch fire.
      If you dont have that, then all the wires have to be rated to 10A (or whatever the rating is).
      And thats based on 1-breaker-per-socket.

      If you have 2 sockets close to eachother on the opposite side of the house than the breaker panel, its easier and cheaper to wire them both together on 20A cable and a single 20A breaker. The fuses in the plug protect the 10A cable to the appliance, the 20A breaker protects the 20A cable in the wall.

      Yes, you could put a fuse in the appliance (a lot have this).
      But that isnt convenient for lamps, where it might be bulky to include a fuse holder and ruin the aesthetic.
      Or something that deals with water, like submersible pumps or kettles.
      Also, some appliances have swappable cables (IEC C13 for example). So if the appliance has an internal 10A fuse but is used with an IEC cable rated to 5A then it leaves the cable unprotected and a possible fire hazard.

    • 👍Maximum Derek👍@discuss.tchncs.de
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      5 months ago

      The plug is also a good place to put it regulatory speaking as it means no manufacturers needs to change device designs, they just need to buy different cords. And it does not mean the plug has to be huge the way it once did. Most people in the US don’t even notice that there are fuses in the christmas light plugs. And I had a desk heater once that used an automotive fuse; it mean most of the plug was fuse but it was still built into ano therwise standard NEMA 1-15 plug.