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The west essentially said subservience or a potentially world ending war. If you are in the gaza or various global south countries your world is in a perpetual state of ending. If you are a parent whose child is killed in an air strike or from hunger due to sanctions, the world has pretty much ended. More and more people are gonna choose the latter, a potentially world ending war especially if they have the means to fight it, i.e. Russia.
Edit: I am not even gonna issue any disclaimers about putin or Russia or whatever. Wtf do people think nato was gonna do once it neighbored Russia? Lend it sugar and power tools? Send it a gift basket? Bake cookies for it?
Agreed, if it must be (actual) liberty or death, there’s only one option (though the entire world other than the west is constantly seeking peace, and whatever conflict happens is entirely and infinitely the west’s fault). Some things are worse than death, and the west has proven time and time again to offer exactly that, a slow death with no dignity, no humanity, no decency given.
I hope if the world does head down this path- hell, even if it doesn’t- that a hell of some sort exists, and if not that future humans or other sentients will create it. “Eternal torment” is more mercy than the ghouls of empire deserve.
It looks like it’s a medium range Oreshnik missile, the kind that were stopped being developed under the INF that the US pulled out of. The key part about them is that western air defence is not able to intercept them. So the message is that these can easily hit western targets.
I wish Trump made that phone call to Putin he promised would solve everything instantly instead of waiting to be sworn in.
Imagine spending billions developing missiles capable of hitting targets anywhere on earth, to in the end use it against your neighbour.
Couldn’t be me.
It would be a flex if they launched it from Kamchatka, over the Pacific, over USA, over Europe and into Ukraine.
It’s not confirmed. Don’t just immediately take at face value what a British imperialist propaganda rag claims.
Russia launched an intercontinental ballistic missile at Ukraine for the first time on Thursday morning, Kyiv’s air force said.
Kyiv’s air force said
Ah yes, the same impeccably reliable source that gave us the Ghost of Kiev.
And the NK soldiers.
Rybar seems to confirm it
CNN said it wasn’t ICBM, quoting some “western official”.
That’s more of a technically than anything else. Yes, Russia has missiles classified as IRBMs that have a shorter range than ICBMs, but they still have very similar capabilities to ICBMs in terms of Multiple Re-entry Vehicles and being nuclear armed.
Inter Rontinental Ballistic Missile?
If not, it should be
IRBM = Intermediate Range Ballistic Missile. A ballistic missile with a range between 3000-5500km. That’s how it’s been defined in all the missile treaties.
Rybar aren’t always the most reliable. Anyway, i’m not remotely qualified to speak on these things so i’ll leave it to the experts to judge, and in the meantime wait for some official confirmation before jumping to conclusions.
There’s enough video out there to say it’s highly likely some Multiple Re-entry Vehicles coming in from outside of the atmosphere hit Dnipro. The only weapons capable of that are ICBMs or IRBMs.
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These aren’t Kinzhal or Iskander hits.
Maria Zakharova even had some staged phonecall during a press conference instructing her not to comment on the ballistic missile hits.
As i said, i’m not qualified to analyze footage and say what it is, but i wouldn’t be surprised if the Russians used an intermediate range ballistic missile with some kind of MIRV warhead. I would be surprised if it was an ICBM because that’s simply unnecessary. Either way, things are heating up. The Kiev Nazis and their fan club in the West keep insisting that it’s ok to cross Russian red lines cause they won’t do anything, and yet when Russia responds by matching escalation with escalation they cry foul and run to daddy USA. FAFO.
From what we have seen so far it does appears highly likely that it was indeed a recently developed and not yet known, until today, IRBM.
Yeah for sure, I was just making a joke about using your longest range missible to hit your closest target, I wasn’t trying to give legitimacy to the article or anything.
Probably to test/warn US
Britain as welll. They’re the closer target and they’ve been supplying weapons too. Wonder what the response will be if missiles start flying at military bases.
Lately, there has been an extremely worrying strain of “those Ruzzian orks are so stoopid their ancient Soviet missiles will probably fall apart if they try to launch them!”
Shit that is completely unfounded and encourages dangerous brinksmanship like we keep seeing from Ukraine and NATO
I was arguing with one of those dumbasses literally yesterday
That’s scary…
Edit: It seems that it didn’t have a nuclear payload, but still kinda scary. I hope the situation doesn’t escalate more than this.
The implication that it could is the entire point
it’s gunna get worse i think
