“The cost of war is serious and it is absolutely disgusting for Donald Trump to float the idea of it for his own personal political gain.”
  • AbidanYre@lemmy.worldEnglish
    117·
    10 个月前

    We’ve had elections during a war before and we can do it again. Ukrainian laws don’t apply to the US.

    • LifeInMultipleChoice@lemmy.dbzer0.comEnglish
      61·
      10 个月前

      Yeah, the law pertaining to not holding elections during martial law in Ukraine was created during another person’s presidency as well. He didn’t make that. (It stemmed from Russias invasion into Ukraine in 2014, law made in 2015). Zelensky didn’t become president until 2019.

    • cosmicrookie@lemmy.world
      9·
      10 个月前

      If the war was closer or even inside the US, it might be a different thing. I wouldn’t be surprised if he could still consider it though.

        • Mog_fanatic@lemmy.world
          1·
          10 个月前

          I can’t help but feel like a civil war is a different scenario. Russia currently controls 20% of Ukraine. For the sake of simplicity, that’s 10 US states. I have a very hard time believing that if a foreign country had complete control of 10 states, and the majority of the people of those states, for all intents and purpose were unable to vote, an election would go over smoothly. I have to imagine it would be an utter shitshow.

  • CircaV@lemmy.caEnglish
    65·
    10 个月前

    He’s telling everyone what his plan is. War incoming by Jan 2029.

  • gravitas_deficiency@sh.itjust.worksEnglish
    56·
    10 个月前

    lol cool so he just said the quiet part of the playbook out loud.

    For those in the back: he’s gonna get the US in to a Serious Fucking War right before the next election so that he can pretend he’s got justification to call off elections.

    Pay no mind to the fact that FDR won his third term at the peak of WW2.

    Come to think of it: that’s probably why he wants to do it: he knows he probably can’t win another election (putting aside the illegality of running and serving for a third term), and doesn’t want to think about himself being overshadowed by “some old librul Democrat from the 1940s”. And yes, that is a completely serious guesstimate on orangeboi’s rationale for this.

    • Nollij@sopuli.xyzEnglish
      18·
      10 个月前

      Legally, it won’t matter. He doesn’t hold office until the next guy, his term ends in 2029. If there is no replacement, the office is simply vacant, and we already have processes for that.

      Legally, it won’t matter. If (when) he’s ignoring the laws to that level, it doesn’t matter what anyone pretends happened with an election. The laws will have no bearing anyway.

      • givesomefucks@lemmy.worldEnglish
        19·
        10 个月前

        Most importantly, the states run the elections.

        So he can “cancel” the election, but only red states would listen. Blue states would still hold elections and report results. And with red states not holding elections, it’s safe to say any election would lean heavily left.

        So republicans would only lose seats, and trump would get zero electoral college votes. Well, most likely every red state would still try to send electors for trump

        After midterms we’ll be able to see what’s gonna happen if that plays out.

        But honestly, blue states should be prioritizing building up their own NG the next three years just in case.

      • gravitas_deficiency@sh.itjust.worksEnglish
        4·
        10 个月前

        It’s cute that you think laws matter to the fascists.

        That’s the entire point of what I’m trying to point out here. You’re stuck on what “legality” means. I’m saying they’re changing the definition.

    • Nougat@fedia.io
      5·
      10 个月前

      That’ll be before the midterms, in case anyone wasn’t clear about that.

      • Septimaeus@infosec.pub
        4·
        10 个月前

        Every American idiot worth any less than 5 million USD needs this critical fact drilled into their head for the next 440 days.

        If you’re lucky, and you’re allowed to vote in the US midterms, they will be your very last chance to save yourself and anyone you give a fuck about from relentless and inescapable hell on earth. If you fight like your life depends on it, maybe you won’t die in a global war, but every other scenario involves your suffering and death no matter whose side you’re on.

  • QuantumTickle@lemmy.zipdeleted by creator
    42·
    10 个月前

    I would say this is impeachable if they already didn’t make such a joke out of the punishment.

  • Soup@lemmy.world
    34·
    10 个月前

    Ya’ll think the US will ever collectively understand that they can’t keep pretending like these things are jokes or “wouldn’t actually happen”? I swear, Trump could grow a little mustache and people would be saying “oh no, I can’t believe we’re about to fall into fascism!”.

    • RangerAndTheCat@lemmy.dbzer0.comEnglish
      12·
      10 个月前

      No. Literally warned people and yelled at them that we would be inviting kidnappings (ICE), abortion rights, and gay rights, civil rights… damn there is so much that has already has happened. He can do no wrong to his base and the Supreme Court here and congress has pretty much given him free rein. The cognitive dissonance is astounding.

      • Soup@lemmy.world
        5·
        10 个月前

        I guess if they keep pretending it’s only ever “just getting started” they can pretend as if their inaction was warranted.

        • RangerAndTheCat@lemmy.dbzer0.comEnglish
          6·
          10 个月前

          Yeah pretty much “we have to wait and see” is what is frequently parroted after everything I have said to try to get these people to see the massive error that is going kill them and the rest of us with them.

          Honestly the Trump/ Epstein thing is the closest I’ve seen them wake up too this time (since we’re shown the evidence when it first blew) , but this time it doesn’t seem to be sliding down as easily, but I’m almost positive Trump will find a distraction e.g. such as war…

      • Archer@lemmy.world
        1·
        10 个月前

        They fucking told us. “He’s not hurting the people he needs to be hurting”. They don’t care if they go down with the ship as long as brown people do as well

  • TropicalDingdong@lemmy.world
    341·
    10 个月前

    Industrial strength “Joking” being used in this headline.

    Trump has no sense of humor nor has he ever told a joke.

  • FreshParsnip@lemmy.ca
    33·
    10 个月前

    He’s not joking. What does he have to do to be taken seriously? A hostile takeover of the capital?

  • Furbag@lemmy.world
    321·
    10 个月前

    He is NOT JOKING. This is his plan.

    You think he’s deploying the military on US soil because he gives a fuck about law and order? Guess again. He’s testing the waters now to see what he can get away with when the time comes.

    Federal elections have never been cancelled or postponed in the history of the nation. Not even for the Civil War, or WWII. It’s mandated by the constitution.

    • GreenShimada@lemmy.world
      6·
      10 个月前

      Same how the 14th Amendment to the Constitution is basically invalidated as long as some states hold off on challenging his EO undoing it.

      He’ll do some “Elections will happen, but only in states that are nice to me and I expect to win” EO and will basically take CA and IL out of the results, and their results won’t be certified by Congress. Because right now it’s a race to rig 2026 to save donor campaign money.

    • CircaV@lemmy.caEnglish
      01·
      10 个月前

      He is a dictator. There will be no more elections. America is an autocracy.

    • Karyoplasma@discuss.tchncs.de
      3·
      10 个月前

      Not sure. Putin has other means of staying in power, like killing political opponents, disillusion and propaganda. The reason he invaded Ukraine is because he is an irredentist bozo that wants his beloved Soviet Union back, not because he was threatened.